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Post by anansi on May 10, 2010 1:00:44 GMT -5
When I was a kid I read D.C comics especially the Black Panther vs the Chitahrui..lol I never realized that they got the inspiration from African folk lore I thought they just made up a character for the Black Panther to do battle with..so how much African folk-lore is floating un-knowingly in Western pop culture?? Credo MutwaHis father was a widower with three surviving children when he met his mother. His father was a builder and a Christian and his mother was a young Zulu girl. Caught between Catholic missionaries on one hand, and a stubborn old Zulu warrior, Credo's maternal grandfather, his parents had no choice but to separate. Credo Mutwa was born out of wedlock which caused a great scandal in the village and his mother was thrown out by her father. Later he was taken in by one of his aunts. He was subsequently raised by his father's brother and was taken to the South Coast of Natal, near the northern bank of the Umkumazi River. He did not attend school until he was 14 years old. In 1935 his father found a building job in the old Transvaal province and the whole family relocated to where he was building. In 1937 he experienced a great shock and trauma when he was seized and sodomized by a gang of mineworkers outside a mine compound.[3] After this he was ill for a long time. Where Christian doctors had failed, his grandfather, a man whom his father despised as a heathen and demon worshipper, helped him back to health. At this point Credo began to question many of the things about his people the missionaries would have them believe. "Were we Africans really a race of primitives who possessed no knowledge at all before the white man came to Africa?" he asked himself. His grandfather instilled in him the belief that his illness was a sacred sign that he was to become a shaman, a healer. He underwent initiation from one of his grandfather's daughters, young sangoma named Myrna.[1] Credo Mutwa was a guest in one episode (Day of the Zulu) of a famous series(Secrets of the Dead) from an established producer (PBS).[4] [edit] Bibliography: works by Credo Mutwa en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vusamazulu_Credo_MutwaChitauriChitauri is a term of Bantu/Nguni linguistic origin, used to describe shape-shifting reptoids, 'the family of the Serpent', believed to exist in parallel with man, 'the children of Adam'. Though this theme is prevalent within the oral and written traditions of several cultures, the use of this word to describe this phenomenon is common in the work of Zulu elder Vusamazulu Credo Mutwa.[1]  Avengers Vs the Chitaruiwww.qwipster.net/ultimateavengers2.htmInteresting man to say the least African story telling merging with conspiracy theorist
You can go to the video stream after each vid to get a continuation as I purposely broke it up the segments too long.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on May 10, 2010 13:16:40 GMT -5
This is the same guy who says civilization in
Africa was spread by red-haired outsiders he
calls Ma-Iti. I'd be wary of unconfirmed claims
coming from Mutwa.
You should read his assumptions of African
inferiority in his book Indaba My Children.
But it is true at the same time some good
informative facts about southern Africa are
to be found nowhere else but from Mutwa.
I once saw a video on the Feathered Serpent
and his segment was the most informative.
These Chitauri remind me of Robert E. Howard's
Serpent Men in his Conan and Kull short stories.
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Post by sundiata on May 10, 2010 19:59:36 GMT -5
^Oh wow. I thought that I was out there by even knowing who he was. I guess not, but honestly a lot of what he claims definitely is. I in no way mean to offend, but there's no way for me to describe most of his claims as other than nonsense and plain weird. I do not speak about his research on African folklore, but his own interpretations, theories and claims of personal experience. I remember listening to an interview of his on coast2coast AM where he talks about being abducted by little grey aliens who made him mate with a fat Caucasian-looking female hybrid. In the same interview he talked about how they stuck an instrument up his pee hole and he accidentally urinated on one of the grey aliens. I mean, the stories he tells are the weirdest stories I've ever heard and he's aware of it. He prefaces a lot of his claims with "I know westerners consider this weird", or "I hate to open myself up to ridicule, but.., as if he believes in what he says. I won't call him an elaborate liar but I don't believe most of these stories.
Anansi, I've noticed that you're into the paranormal. I am too, I love mystery in general but Credo Mutwa is kind of where I draw the line. I have an open mind, but not open enough for Caucasian female hybrids to fit into.
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Post by anansi on May 10, 2010 20:44:37 GMT -5
yes weird he is but interesting non the least and I do look into it the weird stuff but I am not of it..for at the end of the day hard measurable evidence takes precedence..but concerning the Chitarui shape shifters I never knew they were of African folk lore and I wish my mom hadn't thrown out my comics after I became a sailor they could have fetched a pretty penny as they were in good condition. but I used to read Krull and Conan also..Indaba My Children I will put on my to read list.
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Post by beyoku on May 12, 2010 14:25:29 GMT -5
^Oh wow. I thought that I was out there by even knowing who he was. I guess not, but honestly a lot of what he claims definitely is. I in no way mean to offend, but there's no way for me to describe most of his claims as other than nonsense and plain weird. I do not speak about his research on African folklore, but his own interpretations, theories and claims of personal experience. I remember listening to an interview of his on coast2coast AM where he talks about being abducted by little grey aliens who made him mate with a fat Caucasian-looking female hybrid. In the same interview he talked about how they stuck an instrument up his pee hole and he accidentally urinated on one of the grey aliens. I mean, the stories he tells are the weirdest stories I've ever heard and he's aware of it. He prefaces a lot of his claims with "I know westerners consider this weird", or "I hate to open myself up to ridicule, but.., as if he believes in what he says. I won't call him an elaborate liar but I don't believe most of these stories. Anansi, I've noticed that you're into the paranormal. I am too, I love mystery in general but Credo Mutwa is kind of where I draw the line. I have an open mind, but not open enough for Caucasian female hybrids to fit into. I heard this too, i think in that episode he talks about Eating a grey alien.  |
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Post by anansi on May 12, 2010 21:32:17 GMT -5
^Oh wow. I thought that I was out there by even knowing who he was. I guess not, but honestly a lot of what he claims definitely is. I in no way mean to offend, but there's no way for me to describe most of his claims as other than nonsense and plain weird. I do not speak about his research on African folklore, but his own interpretations, theories and claims of personal experience. I remember listening to an interview of his on coast2coast AM where he talks about being abducted by little grey aliens who made him mate with a fat Caucasian-looking female hybrid. In the same interview he talked about how they stuck an instrument up his pee hole and he accidentally urinated on one of the grey aliens. I mean, the stories he tells are the weirdest stories I've ever heard and he's aware of it. He prefaces a lot of his claims with "I know westerners consider this weird", or "I hate to open myself up to ridicule, but.., as if he believes in what he says. I won't call him an elaborate liar but I don't believe most of these stories. Anansi, I've noticed that you're into the paranormal. I am too, I love mystery in general but Credo Mutwa is kind of where I draw the line. I have an open mind, but not open enough for Caucasian female hybrids to fit into. I heard this too, i think in that episode he talks about Eating a grey alien. That was a bit disconcerting I remember my reaction was.. BS!! ..but I have a habit of taking people's word at face value..you know letting him tell "his"story without being too judgmental ..If I was a producer I would make a movie about his life and his version of history..while one may find the occasional AA in a science fiction movie one is hard pressed to find an African based in Africa with an African cultural perspective it would be a definite winner combining African folk-lore with modern conspiracy theories UfO's shape shifting Chatarui aliens alternate bio-anthropology..etc.. ;D |
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Post by anansi on May 13, 2010 12:59:02 GMT -5
Isn't this the same thing Credo did when he claimed to devour an alien gray? the whole orgiastic rite thing in order to gain their power?? Utterance 273
The sky rains down.
The stars darken.
The celestial vaults stagger.
The bones of Aker (1) tremble.
The decans are stilled against them,
at seeing Pharaoh rise as a Ba (2).
A god who lives on his fathers and feeds on his mothers.
Pharaoh is Lord of Wisdom whose mother knows not his name.
Pharaoh's glory is in the sky, his might is in the horizon.
Like his father, Atum, his begetter.
Though his son, Pharaoh is mightier than he.
Pharaoh's Kas are behind him.
His guardian forces (3) are under his feet.
His gods are over him.
His Uraeus-serpents are on his brow.
Pharaoh's guiding-serpent is on his forehead :
she who sees the Ba (of the enemy as) good for burning.
Pharaoh's neck is on his trunk.
Pharaoh is the Bull of the Sky,
who shatters at will,
who lives on the being of every god,
who eats their entrails,
even of those who come with their bodies
full of magic from the Island of Flame (4).
Pharaoh is one equipped,
who assembles his Akhs.
Pharaoh appears as this Great One,
Lord of those with (helping) hands.
He sits with his back to Geb,
for it is Pharaoh who weighs what he says,
together with Him-whose-name-is-hidden (5),
on this day of slaying the oldest ones.
Pharaoh is Lord of Offerings, who knots the cord,
and who himself prepares his meal.
Pharaoh is he who eats men and lives on gods,
Lord of Porters, who dispatches written messages.
It is 'Grasper-of-the-top-knot', who is Kehau, who lassoes them for Pharaoh.
It is 'Serpent Raised-head' who guards them for him and restrains them for him.
It is 'He-upon-the-willows' who binds them for him.
It is Courser, slayer of Lords, who will cut their throats for Pharaoh,
and will extract for him what is in their bodies,
for he is the messenger whom Pharaoh sends to restrain.
It is Shezmu (6) who will cut them up for Pharaoh,
and cooks meals of them in his dinner-pots.
Utterance 274
It is Pharaoh who eats their magic and gulps down their Akhs.
Their big ones are for his morning meal,
their middle-sized ones are for his evening meal,
their little ones are for his night meal,
their old men and their old women are for his incense-burning.
It is the Great Ones in the North of the sky (7) who light the fire for him
to the cauldrons containing them,
with the thighs of their eldest (as fuel).
Those who are in the sky serve Pharaoh,
And the butcher's blocks are wiped over for him,
with the feet of their women.
He has revolved around the whole of the two skies.
He has circled the two banks (8).
For Pharaoh is the great power that overpowers the powers.
Pharaoh is a sacred image, the most sacred image
of the sacred images of the Great One.
Whom he finds in his way, him he devours bit by bit (9).
Pharaoh's place is at the head of all the noble ones (10) who are in the horizon.
For Pharaoh is a god, older than the oldest.
Thousands revolve around him, hundreds offer to him.
There is given to him a warrant as a great power by Orion (11),
the father of the gods.
Pharaoh has risen again in the sky.
He is crowned as Lord of the Horizon.
He has smashed the back-bones,
and has seized the hearts of the gods.
He has eaten the Red Crown (12).
He has swallowed the Green One (13).
Pharaoh feeds on the lungs of the wise.
And likes to live on hearts and their magic.
Pharaoh abhors against licking the coils of the Red Crown.
But delights to have their magic in his belly.
Pharaoh's dignities will not be taken away from him.
For he has swallowed the knowledge of every god.
Pharaoh's lifetime is eternal repetition.
His limit is everlastingness.
In this his dignity of :
'If-he-likes-he-does. If-he-dislikes-he-does-not.'
He who is at the limits of the horizon,
for ever and ever.
Lo, their Ba is in Pharaoh's belly.
Their Akhs are in Pharaoh's possession,
as the surplus of his meal out of the gods.
Which is cooked for Pharaoh from their bones.
Lo, their Ba is in Pharaoh's possession.
Their shadows are removed from their owners,
while Pharaoh is this one who ever rises and lasting lasts.
The doers of ill deeds have no power to destroy,
the chosen seat of Pharaoh,
among the living in this land.
For ever and ever.maat.sofiatopia.org/cannibal.htm |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on May 17, 2010 11:00:14 GMT -5
Are the Chitarui anything like the Nommo?
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Post by anansi on May 17, 2010 23:09:38 GMT -5
Are the Chitarui anything like the Nommo? I don't think so whatever the Nommos are they seems to be benevolent and amphibious the Chatarui are reptilians who may have actually have originated on earth (think of some kind of evolved dinosaur) and ventured into space before returning to earth like some sort of prodigal son they are malevolent in demeanor. But I need to look more into the Nommos. |
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