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Post by truthteacher2007 on Sept 23, 2011 18:16:51 GMT -5
I am not the sharpest tool in the shack..and maybe i shouldn't say this but I have folks with high degrees working for me..you think it should be the other way around but self motivation and drive is the real test, how many of you out there who are egg heads end up working for someone who is a collage drop-out or don't have your scholastic achievements...take your time and reflect on this. Bill Gates collage drop-out. Point well taken. It really does beg the question of what is the point of testing people like this in the first place? And then applying it globally. Could it be a vestige of the whole Eugenics movement? I mean seriously, what good is having a high test score if you're not able to do anything in the practical world to contribute to the betterment of society. I was in a 20yr relationship with a MENSA member. Totally neurotic, narcisistic mess totally lacking in self discipline and couldn't get her shit together to complete a phd. She did one semester of grad school and then dropped out. Seems she thought that her high IQ meant that she shouldn't have to do any work like the other grunts. She actually expected Columbia University to GIVE her a PHD based on "life experience". Never did anything significant for anyone outside herself her entire life. Now as to all these high IQ Asian countries, how come none of them's found a cure for cancer, AIDS, or a way of ending hunger and poverty? I'm just saying.....
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Post by anansi on Sept 24, 2011 7:16:51 GMT -5
I am not the sharpest tool in the shack..and maybe i shouldn't say this but I have folks with high degrees working for me..you think it should be the other way around but self motivation and drive is the real test, how many of you out there who are egg heads end up working for someone who is a collage drop-out or don't have your scholastic achievements...take your time and reflect on this. Bill Gates collage drop-out. Point well taken. It really does beg the question of what is the point of testing people like this in the first place? And then applying it globally. Could it be a vestige of the whole Eugenics movement? I mean seriously, what good is having a high test score if you're not able to do anything in the practical world to contribute to the betterment of society. I was in a 20yr relationship with a MENSA member. Totally neurotic, narcisistic mess totally lacking in self discipline and couldn't get her together to complete a phd. She did one semester of grad school and then dropped out. Seems she thought that her high IQ meant that she shouldn't have to do any work like the other grunts. She actually expected Columbia University to GIVE her a PHD based on "life experience". Never did anything significant for anyone outside herself her entire life. Now as to all these high IQ Asian countries, how come none of them's found a cure for cancer, AIDS, or a way of ending hunger and poverty? I'm just saying..... There is a kind of intelligence called emotional intelligence which is just as important as the so-called IQ type, which is the ability to identify, assess, and control the emotions of oneself, of others, and of groups, such person possessing such traits often become good leaders, delaying immediate self gratification for a greater pay-off down the road, for those us with kids run this simple test see if the youngster can wait for alot of goodies than the one goodie he/she will receive right now!!
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Sept 24, 2011 11:30:31 GMT -5
Point well taken. It really does beg the question of what is the point of testing people like this in the first place? And then applying it globally. Could it be a vestige of the whole Eugenics movement? I mean seriously, what good is having a high test score if you're not able to do anything in the practical world to contribute to the betterment of society. I was in a 20yr relationship with a MENSA member. Totally neurotic, narcisistic mess totally lacking in self discipline and couldn't get her together to complete a phd. She did one semester of grad school and then dropped out. Seems she thought that her high IQ meant that she shouldn't have to do any work like the other grunts. She actually expected Columbia University to GIVE her a PHD based on "life experience". Never did anything significant for anyone outside herself her entire life. Now as to all these high IQ Asian countries, how come none of them's found a cure for cancer, AIDS, or a way of ending hunger and poverty? I'm just saying..... There is a kind of intelligence called emotional intelligence which is just as important as the so-called IQ type, which is the ability to identify, assess, and control the emotions of oneself, of others, and of groups, such person possessing such traits often become good leaders, delaying immediate self gratification for a greater pay-off down the road, for those us with kids run this simple test see if the youngster can wait for alot of goodies than the one goodie he/she will receive right now!! Exactly. The problem I have with IQ tests is that it seems to only measure one aspect of "intelligence" when in fact to be a well rounded and productive, successfull individual one must have multiple areas of intelligence. I'm sure we all know someone who was the best and brightest in school all their lives yet never amounted to a hill of beans in real life. They excelled on paper but had no knowledge of how to navigate the real practical world. Couldn't cope under pressure, had no social skills. I once saw a documentary about street kids who work in market places. They had no schooling, but when it came to handling money, they were smart as whips, yet they couldn't pass simple math tests. The reason was because they dealt in the real world in real world situations, not in abstract theories. The brain is a very complex thing and some paper and pen test cannot measure how intelligent a person really is or how they will be able to adapt under pressure, conflict mediation etc. In otherwords, the real life things and situations that really matter.
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Post by jari on Sept 25, 2011 19:42:31 GMT -5
The I.Q topic has been discussed many times on E.S. Anyone who is familiar with the Education system knows that I.Q is not the final say on intelligence. The only people who always bring up the I.Q are white racists who actually have done nothing for society or the betterment of Humankind, yet cling to I.Q to help their egotistical ideas about race.
Funny part is despite Asians being superior in Intelligence you don't hardly is ever see Asians Bragging about I.Q. You don't see an Asian version of Stormfront posting pictures of Old Buildings and pictures of dead Asians and claiming to be superior to Africans. Asians IMO don't seem to care much about having high I.Q they seem to care about being successful, respecting their elders etc.
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Post by jari on Sept 25, 2011 19:44:57 GMT -5
Howard Gardner on multiple intelligences - the initial listing Howard Gardner viewed intelligence as 'the capacity to solve problems or to fashion products that are valued in one or more cultural setting' (Gardner & Hatch, 1989). He reviewed the literature using eight criteria or 'signs' of an intelligence:
Potential isolation by brain damage.
The existence of idiots savants, prodigies and other exceptional individuals.
An identifiable core operation or set of operations.
A distinctive development history, along with a definable set of 'end-state' performances.
An evolutionary history and evolutionary plausibility.
Support from experimental psychological tasks.
Support from psychometric findings.
Susceptibility to encoding in a symbol system. (Howard Gardner 1983: 62-69)
Candidates for the title 'an intelligence' had to satisfy a range of these criteria and must include, as a prerequisite, the ability to resolve 'genuine problems or difficulties' (ibid.: 60) within certain cultural settings. Making judgements about this was, however, 'reminiscent more of an artistic judgement than of a scientific assessment' (ibid.: 62).
Howard Gardner initially formulated a list of seven intelligences. His listing was provisional. The first two have been typically valued in schools; the next three are usually associated with the arts; and the final two are what Howard Gardner called 'personal intelligences' (Gardner 1999: 41-43).
Linguistic intelligence involves sensitivity to spoken and written language, the ability to learn languages, and the capacity to use language to accomplish certain goals. This intelligence includes the ability to effectively use language to express oneself rhetorically or poetically; and language as a means to remember information. Writers, poets, lawyers and speakers are among those that Howard Gardner sees as having high linguistic intelligence.
Logical-mathematical intelligence consists of the capacity to analyze problems logically, carry out mathematical operations, and investigate issues scientifically. In Howard Gardner's words, it entails the ability to detect patterns, reason deductively and think logically. This intelligence is most often associated with scientific and mathematical thinking.
Musical intelligence involves skill in the performance, composition, and appreciation of musical patterns. It encompasses the capacity to recognize and compose musical pitches, tones, and rhythms. According to Howard Gardner musical intelligence runs in an almost structural parallel to linguistic intelligence.
Bodily-kinesthetic intelligence entails the potential of using one's whole body or parts of the body to solve problems. It is the ability to use mental abilities to coordinate bodily movements. Howard Gardner sees mental and physical activity as related.
Spatial intelligence involves the potential to recognize and use the patterns of wide space and more confined areas.
Interpersonal intelligence is concerned with the capacity to understand the intentions, motivations and desires of other people. It allows people to work effectively with others. Educators, salespeople, religious and political leaders and counsellors all need a well-developed interpersonal intelligence.
Intrapersonal intelligence entails the capacity to understand oneself, to appreciate one's feelings, fears and motivations. In Howard Gardner's view it involves having an effective working model of ourselves, and to be able to use such information to regulate our lives.
In Frames of Mind Howard Gardner treated the personal intelligences 'as a piece'. Because of their close association in most cultures, they are often linked together. However, he still argues that it makes sense to think of two forms of personal intelligence. Gardner claimed that the seven intelligences rarely operate independently. They are used at the same time and tend to complement each other as people develop skills or solve problems.
In essence Howard Gardner argued that he was making two essential claims about multiple intelligences. That:
The theory is an account of human cognition in its fullness. The intelligences provided 'a new definition of human nature, cognitively speaking' (Gardner 1999: 44). Human beings are organisms who possess a basic set of intelligences.
People have a unique blend of intelligences. Howard Gardner argues that the big challenge facing the deployment of human resources 'is how to best take advantage of the uniqueness conferred on us as a species exhibiting several intelligences' (ibid.: 45).
These intelligences, according to Howard Gardner, are amoral - they can be put to constructive or destructive use. www.infed.org/thinkers/gardner.htmFrom a Thread where me an Dr. Clyde discuss I.Q www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=003650
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