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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 18:20:20 GMT -5
yes if you read what i say on the other forum post maybe it this one you will there will be some black nobles, but almost never light skinned eklan althought it could happen when they took slave from defeated kel i read somewhere before someone say that tuareg are mix of beja and ancient berber and become berberized and that they apparently have the genetic links to prove this do you know if it is true? and i do not ate any black neighbors or african origin and i do share more affinity to africa than to a eurasia i know the kind of people you are talking about the thing i hate is the people(both black and white european and american do this) that say we are not real berber we are not real of north africa because of we are more light skinned the most poorest and poverty stricken? that is correct in some parts like libya and mali were the government targeted them and oppress them but in algeria many chaoui are getting military positions and some kabyle are doing very well off in morocco the government makes profits off of berber there none given to them though but they are gaining more rights and positions in governments the forced arabization was very bad for people but they are recovering I just wanted to say that by Poorest and Poverty Sticken, Im not just saying the Berbers but the Sahelian Blacks as well. Look at Timbucktu now compared to its heyday in the Middle Ages. Also I do understand why you are defensive, Black and Whites both claiming the Berbers while Ignoring the reality that both black and lighter Berbers exist. Also the Arabization is a bad thing for Africa I agree, but honestly how can you guys complain about Arabization when you follow Islam and an Arab religion. Look at Kamal Attaturk and how he freed the Turks. The only way you guys are going to free yourselves is by working together. Look at What Gadaffi, despite his sort comings, did for Lybia. His Secularization and ability to use Lybian resources for Lybians. His reaching out to Africans(of course he tried to reach out to the Arabs first), this is what will free Africans esp. North and Sahelian Africans. the timbuktu heyday? well as for that i think they would have been even poorer as in the ancient times was it not only the kings and nobles with the power and most time the non nobles had very bad very poor and you are correct there are dark skin light skin berber when have i ignore? not all berbers are islam and many are very secular that was aim of MNLA until the ansar dine was take over them you are correct work together great start would be for all country to get better relations to open borders and increase trade make north africa very rich gadaffi however was very bad whatever he did for some libyans not all recieved and for secular, well wasnt stalin and mao also secular? his reaching out to africa and form africa coalition but he want it with him at head of it he kidnap africans and make them fight for his against revolution and when revolution begin he ordered rockets fired into berber village when the people there had not even revolt yet it is to say as the british do good for nigeria they go in there and people who are collaborate with them are reward and build many things make good economy but the native nigerians do not receive any benefit from it only the british and their collaborators this is not to say that the happen in nigeria he was very rich while still many libya were poor have you seen the palaces for him and his family? they were live in very good while 1/3 of libya are in poverty
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 18:26:38 GMT -5
and you are correct the mali conflict of tuareg is rooted very far past when the empire expands into the azawad and for that the tuareg sacked their capital and then the tuareg enslaved many blacks mostly around mali but present day is most rooted in the rebellion older one the mali troops targeted women and children tuareg
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Post by anansi on Oct 14, 2013 19:10:01 GMT -5
Aaah No! we have reports from ancient times during the hayday of the Malian empire,that most of the ordinary people were not poor,it had world class universities that attracted students from all over Africa and beyond a figure of 20,000 students at any given time,their professors could taught any where in the Muslim world but visiting professors had to be tested before teaching,there was even a larger city on the site of Timbuktu that was twice it's size in it's hayday and four times the size of medieval London going back some 500yrs B.C
The story is different today however,btw why did the rebels destroyed the rich historical sites?? they lost any credibility when they did that as they remind people of the Taliban or fanatics in Egypt that want to tear down the pyramids.
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 19:19:03 GMT -5
Aaah No! we have reports from ancient times during the hayday of the Malian empire,that most of the ordinary people were not poor,it had world class universities that attracted students from all over Africa and beyond a figure of 20,000 students at any given time,their professors could taught any where in the Muslim world but visiting professors had to be tested before teaching,there was even a larger city on the site of Timbuktu that was twice it's size in it's hayday and four times the size of medieval London going back some 500yrs B.C The story is different today however,btw why did the rebels destroyed the rich historical sites?? they lost any credibility when they did that as they remind people of the Taliban or fanatics in Egypt that want to tear down the pyramids. are you sure it was the MNLA? the ansar dine is not tuareg separatist but mercenary hired by malian government and boko haram recruits
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 19:19:56 GMT -5
its also interesting that you say that the people in other places like europe were very poor like slaves to the nobles who mistreated them very much
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Post by justcallmejari on Oct 14, 2013 19:51:30 GMT -5
^^^Boondocks usually refers to some place for out and a little isolated, or it can refer to small towns at least in Texas. Odessa is a not a big city..it was also a joke..
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Post by anansi on Oct 14, 2013 20:04:59 GMT -5
But they teamed up with them did they not?? and who recruited Boko Haram?? not the Malian government that's for sure.
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 20:31:05 GMT -5
But they teamed up with them did they not?? and who recruited Boko Haram?? not the Malian government that's for sure. they team up with them out of necessity and the ansar dine betray them the mali government hire the mercenary posing as iyad ag ghali to betray tuareg he got boko haram and other islamist terrorists to go to mali and hijack the tuareg rebellion
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Post by anansi on Oct 14, 2013 20:47:40 GMT -5
But they teamed up with them did they not?? and who recruited Boko Haram?? not the Malian government that's for sure. they team up with them out of necessity and the ansar dine betray them the mali government hire the mercenary posing as iyad ag ghali to betray tuareg he got boko haram and other islamist terrorists to go to mali and hijack the tuareg rebellion Can you back that up or is it just hearsay,for if I remember correctly the Mali government refused military help from Nigeria and other African nations,so how could they then turn around and hire extremist rebels vowed enemies of the Nigerian government to boot and risk pissing off that powerful neighbor..that makes no sense.
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Post by justcallmejari on Oct 14, 2013 21:04:11 GMT -5
I thought the Ansr Dine were the same folks who Gadaffi Hired as Mercenary, that was where they got their guns, from Gadaffi.
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Post by justcallmejari on Oct 14, 2013 21:06:37 GMT -5
I just wanted to say that by Poorest and Poverty Sticken, Im not just saying the Berbers but the Sahelian Blacks as well. Look at Timbucktu now compared to its heyday in the Middle Ages. Also I do understand why you are defensive, Black and Whites both claiming the Berbers while Ignoring the reality that both black and lighter Berbers exist. Also the Arabization is a bad thing for Africa I agree, but honestly how can you guys complain about Arabization when you follow Islam and an Arab religion. Look at Kamal Attaturk and how he freed the Turks. The only way you guys are going to free yourselves is by working together. Look at What Gadaffi, despite his sort comings, did for Lybia. His Secularization and ability to use Lybian resources for Lybians. His reaching out to Africans(of course he tried to reach out to the Arabs first), this is what will free Africans esp. North and Sahelian Africans. the timbuktu heyday? well as for that i think they would have been even poorer as in the ancient times was it not only the kings and nobles with the power and most time the non nobles had very bad very poor and you are correct there are dark skin light skin berber when have i ignore? not all berbers are islam and many are very secular that was aim of MNLA until the ansar dine was take over them you are correct work together great start would be for all country to get better relations to open borders and increase trade make north africa very rich gadaffi however was very bad whatever he did for some libyans not all recieved and for secular, well wasnt stalin and mao also secular? his reaching out to africa and form africa coalition but he want it with him at head of it he kidnap africans and make them fight for his against revolution and when revolution begin he ordered rockets fired into berber village when the people there had not even revolt yet it is to say as the british do good for nigeria they go in there and people who are collaborate with them are reward and build many things make good economy but the native nigerians do not receive any benefit from it only the british and their collaborators this is not to say that the happen in nigeria he was very rich while still many libya were poor have you seen the palaces for him and his family? they were live in very good while 1/3 of libya are in poverty Actually Lybia under Gadaffi was the Richest state in Africa and its people had access to better Education and Universal Healthcare. Also Him living like a corrupt King is nothing new in Africa, its seems to be the norm.
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 21:13:15 GMT -5
I thought the Ansr Dine were the same folks who Gadaffi Hired as Mercenary, that was where they got their guns, from Gadaffi. the ansar dine did get weapon from libya, but it was just the abandon weapon depots many tuareg that were part of gadaffi army did go to mali though but they joined the MNLA not ansar dine the ansar dine are mostly suicide bomber from places like nigeria and somalia but their fighters are mercenaries the difference between them is that they have very long beards and like to wear all black and fly black flags on their vehicles with islamic texts in white
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 21:34:36 GMT -5
they team up with them out of necessity and the ansar dine betray them the mali government hire the mercenary posing as iyad ag ghali to betray tuareg he got boko haram and other islamist terrorists to go to mali and hijack the tuareg rebellion Can you back that up or is it just hearsay,for if I remember correctly the Mali government refused military help from Nigeria and other African nations,so how could they then turn around and hire extremist rebels vowed enemies of the Nigerian government to boot and risk pissing off that powerful neighbor..that makes no sense. hearsay but the mali government is have very suspicion
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Post by azrur on Oct 14, 2013 21:45:21 GMT -5
the timbuktu heyday? well as for that i think they would have been even poorer as in the ancient times was it not only the kings and nobles with the power and most time the non nobles had very bad very poor and you are correct there are dark skin light skin berber when have i ignore? not all berbers are islam and many are very secular that was aim of MNLA until the ansar dine was take over them you are correct work together great start would be for all country to get better relations to open borders and increase trade make north africa very rich gadaffi however was very bad whatever he did for some libyans not all recieved and for secular, well wasnt stalin and mao also secular? his reaching out to africa and form africa coalition but he want it with him at head of it he kidnap africans and make them fight for his against revolution and when revolution begin he ordered rockets fired into berber village when the people there had not even revolt yet it is to say as the british do good for nigeria they go in there and people who are collaborate with them are reward and build many things make good economy but the native nigerians do not receive any benefit from it only the british and their collaborators this is not to say that the happen in nigeria he was very rich while still many libya were poor have you seen the palaces for him and his family? they were live in very good while 1/3 of libya are in poverty Actually Lybia under Gadaffi was the Richest state in Africa and its people had access to better Education and Universal Healthcare. Also Him living like a corrupt King is nothing new in Africa, its seems to be the norm. because it is normal that make it ok? a rich state and rich people are 2 different thing many libya lived very poor under gadaffi and the universal healthcare is it same as the obama? in the america the government shut down of it did they not?
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Post by justcallmejari on Oct 14, 2013 22:31:46 GMT -5
Actually Lybia under Gadaffi was the Richest state in Africa and its people had access to better Education and Universal Healthcare. Also Him living like a corrupt King is nothing new in Africa, its seems to be the norm. because it is normal that make it ok? a rich state and rich people are 2 different thing many libya lived very poor under gadaffi and the universal healthcare is it same as the obama? in the america the government shut down of it did they not? No its not O.K, its wrong and one of the reasons Africa is in the sate it is in, the Corruption, esp. in the North but all over Africa. Im not saying Gadaffi was a hero, but many of the Lybian Rebel Leaders were educated doctors and such from the education provided by Gadaffi. Gadaffi was a bad guy but However bad Gadaffi was the way he was Killed/Murdered was wrong. The Shutdown is not because of Obamacare, its because Congress and the Federal Gov. wont agree with each other.
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