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Post by samuel on Dec 19, 2015 22:19:40 GMT -5
Anansi and Kaskata, Sometimes you must drag the horse kicking and screaming to drink from the well to understand that Division just fuels the systems obsession of keeping Black people from each other. Israelis became a Nation IN Africa, read Genesis 17:5 for the Name of the Father of many Nations. Jesus Christ, the Son of God was born in Bethlehem in Israel,and was called out of Egypt. Read Matthew 2:12-15 SOME(Please Blessed people) African brother and sisters(Nigerians? Angolans?) must start the revival. Educate the youth on the Ancient Civilizations in Africa, examples like Kemet in the North, to Nok in the West, To Axsum in the East, to Great Zimbabwe in the South. Create Movies, documemtaries teaching African Story from an African perspective. Me either! That would be a great idea. Like the European Renaissance digging up Greco Roman ideas and philosophies. If we could revive the Ancient Kemet religion and language start teaching kids the language that would be wonderful. We should start out slowly though. Make a movie representing Kemet as Sub Saharan. With action and Intrigue. Maybe a movie based on The Tale of the Shipwrecked Sailor. With all black actors. I'm white but I could help.
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Post by ANCIENT on Feb 14, 2016 21:41:00 GMT -5
I dont follow the Black Hebrew doctrine but they do make valid points in their arguments but their whole identity is flawed. For example, they say they hate Africans or we're not Africans when if they take a DNA test their ancestry will be traced back to West Africa like the rest of us which obviously proves we're Africans. I would have more respect to Black Hebrews if they accept their African roots even though I still wouldn't follow it. I know the Ancient Sumerians were Black people and the Babylonians were also, Nimrod himself was a Kushite (Blackman) I'm not debating that! I'm debating how we know if Abraham, Isaac & Jacob even existed so where were these bones or fossils to check the DNA or study of these people to consider who is "God's people"?
Then they say we're not related to Africans when even in the Bible its says Shem was related to Ham (Brothers) therefore the Africans would be our 1st cousins (even though I know were Africans). Hebrews can say some funny hypocritical shit sometimes.
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Post by anansi on Feb 15, 2016 1:38:32 GMT -5
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Post by anansi on Feb 15, 2016 4:24:47 GMT -5
I dont follow the Black Hebrew doctrine but they do make valid points in their arguments but their whole identity is flawed. For example, they say they hate Africans or we're not Africans when if they take a DNA test their ancestry will be traced back to West Africa like the rest of us which obviously proves we're Africans. I would have more respect to Black Hebrews if they accept their African roots even though I still wouldn't follow it. I know the Ancient Sumerians were Black people and the Babylonians were also, Nimrod himself was a Kushite (Blackman) I'm not debating that! I'm debating how we know if Abraham, Isaac & Jacob even existed so where were these bones or fossils to check the DNA or study of these people to consider who is "God's people"? Then they say we're not related to Africans when even in the Bible its says Shem was related to Ham (Brothers) therefore the Africans would be our 1st cousins (even though I know were Africans). Hebrews can say some funny hypocritical ish sometimes. Greeting Ancient, Im sure they make good points, and I was informed by an Israelite in this thread that not all communities follows the exact teachings although there are overlaps, but those who screams the loudest take center stage and carries the most appeal, this is a problem with religiously indoctrinated folks of whatever beliefs, taken to excess they say and do stupid ish and tend to make their beliefs fit the facts rather than the facts fit the beliefs,because at the end of the day it's all about what was written by a bunch of desert nomads in the Bronze age. Are Black and Hebrew mutually exclusive?? no! are African and Hebrews mutually exclusive?? No! could some AAs or New world Blacks have Hebrew ancestors?? Yes! but very few could actually trace that genealogy back across the pond called the Atlantic to any exact match, so some take various attributes from various African civilizations claimed it, but turn around and reject the descendant of those who remained on the continent. And for the record Africans that were bought over to the so-called new world were Christians Muslims Hebrews but the vast majority by far were Africans who were non Abrahmic in faith, so much so that such faiths and beliefs influenced the Americas and the world in general. It is high time that Black folks move away from beliefs into fact based science, while science can be flawed it also self corrects, religious beliefs can do no such thing and that's why cults is very hard to get out of.
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 15, 2016 8:24:56 GMT -5
Haha • Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldees (Gen. 11, 31) Godfrey Higgins, a careful and reliable English antiquary says, “The Chaldees were originally Negroes.” (Anacalypsis, Vol. II, p. 364. New York, 1927)
• Higgins said that he acknowledged with "great difficulty" than Chaldeans were blacks too. But Let's quote him:
"...In consequence of the prejudice (for it is already prejudice)against the negro, or I ought to say, against the possibility of a negro, being learned and scientific, arising from an acquaintance with the present with the present Negro Character, I admit with great difficulty the theory of all the early astronomical knowledge of the chaldean having been acquired or invented by his race, and the Chaldees were originally Negroes..."
• Ibn Khaldun, who lived in the 13th century, a respected authority on Berber history testified about the Black Jews of Western Sudan with whom he personally interacted. The famous muslim geographer al-Idrisi, born in Ceuta, Spain in the 12th century, wrote extensively about Jewish Negroes in the Western Sudan. Black Jews were fully integrated and achieved pre-eminence in many West African kingdoms. For instance Jews were believed to have settled in great West African empires such as Songhai, Mali, Ghana and Kanem-Bornu empires. According to numerous accounts of contemporary visitors to the region several rulers, and administrators of the Songhai empire were of Jewish origins until Askia Muhammad came to power in 1492 and decreed that all Jews either convert to Islam or leave the region. See Ismael Diadie Haidara, “Les Juifs a` Timbouctou”, Recueil de sources relatives au commerce juif a Timbouctou au XIXe siecle, Editions Donniya, Bamako, 1999.
• In a book "Last sigh of Moor" published in 1995, the dark skinned Indoeuropean antireligious writer Salman Rushdie claims that according to Indian history books, first Jewish refugees, which in Antiquity have set their settlements in India, after Nabuchodonozor conquered their land in the 6th century BC, were... dark skinned, probably of NEGROIDAL RACE. (Remember that Moses had wife from the Medianite tribe, from the country of volcanos, which corresponds to Ethiopia of today.)
According to Salman Rushdie the second wave of Jewish emigration to India, after the destruction of Israel by Romans in 1-2nd century, consisted of WHITE JEWS. The third wave of Jewish emigration to India, which occured after 1482, when Queen Izabelle have thrown Jews out of Spain, arrived and settled at Cochin peninsula in Southern India, where was the capital of organized by vice-King Vasco da Gama Portuguese colony. According to the late 19 century Larousse Encyclopedia, Jews from the tropical Conchin were the most dark skinned Jews known at that time. Salman Rushdie claims that nearly all Jews from Conchin emigrated to Israel in the second half of 20 century.
• The noted Jewish historian, Josephus from his book The Great Roman-Jewish War: 66-70, where he writes about this Jewish dispersion and captivity. "General Vaspasian and his son Caesar Titus fought against the Jews. Millions of Jews fled into Africa, among other places, fleeing from Roman persecution and starvation during the siege." • Historian Wilson Armistead states quite plainly: “The descendants of a colony of Jews, originally from Judea, settled on the coast of Africa, are black.” (A Tribute for the Negro: Being a Vindication of the Moral, Intellectual, and Religious Capabilities of the Colored Portion of Mankind; with Particular Reference to the African Race by Wilson Armistead. Manchester and London: W. Irwin, 1848, pg. 66)
• Sir Godfrey Higgins quoted Mr. Maurice: “The Yadavas were the most venerable emigrants from India; they were the blameless and pious Ethiopians, whom Homer mentions, and calls the remotest of mankind. Part of them, say the old Hindu writers, remained in this country; and hence we read of two Ethiopian nations, the Western and the Oriental. Some of them lived far to the East; and they are the Yadavas who stayed in India, while others resided far to the West. The fact of part of the tribe yet remaining in existence is one of the pieces of circumstances of this kind that I ground my system. They surpass all written evidence, for they cannot have been forged. This emigrating tribe of Yadu or Yuda, we shall find of the first importance, for they were no other than the Jews.” (Anacalypsis, Vol. I. by Sir Godfrey Higgins, London:1836, reprinted. Brooklyn:A&B Books Publishers, 1992, pg. 392) So we can clearly see in this passage that Maurice is stating that the Tribe of Yuda (Judah) and the “blameless and pious Ethiopians” were the same.
• A Roman historian named Tacitus who lived about C.E. 90 said, "Many assert that the Hebrews are an RACE OF ETHIOPIAN ORIGINS." (Book V, Chap. 2)
THE HISTORIES Written by Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Historian, 55-A.D.
"Some say that the Israelites were fugitives from the island of Crete, who settled on the nearest coast of Africa about the time when Saturn was driven from his throne by the power of Jupiter. Evidence of this is sought in the name. There is a famous mountain in Crete called Ida; the neighboring tribe, the Idaei, came to be called Judaei by a barbarous lengthening of the national name. Others assert that in the reign of Isis the overflowing population of Egypt, led by Hierosolymus and Judas, discharged itself into the neighboring countries. Many, again, say that they were a race of Ethiopian origin, who in the time of king Cepheus were driven by fear and hatred of their neighbors to seek a new dwelling-place. Others describe them as an Assyrian horde who, not having sufficient territory, took possession of part of Egypt, and founded cities of their own in what is called the Hebrew country, lying on the borders of Syria. Others, again, assign a very distinguished origin to the Jews, alleging that they were the Solymi, a nation celebrated in the poems of Homer, who called the city which they founded Hierosolyma after their own name. "
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Post by ANCIENT on Feb 15, 2016 12:42:37 GMT -5
I dont follow the Black Hebrew doctrine but they do make valid points in their arguments but their whole identity is flawed. For example, they say they hate Africans or we're not Africans when if they take a DNA test their ancestry will be traced back to West Africa like the rest of us which obviously proves we're Africans. I would have more respect to Black Hebrews if they accept their African roots even though I still wouldn't follow it. I know the Ancient Sumerians were Black people and the Babylonians were also, Nimrod himself was a Kushite (Blackman) I'm not debating that! I'm debating how we know if Abraham, Isaac & Jacob even existed so where were these bones or fossils to check the DNA or study of these people to consider who is "God's people"? Then they say we're not related to Africans when even in the Bible its says Shem was related to Ham (Brothers) therefore the Africans would be our 1st cousins (even though I know were Africans). Hebrews can say some funny hypocritical ish sometimes. Greeting Ancient, Im sure they make good points, and I was informed by an Israelite in this thread that not all communities follows the exact teachings although there are overlaps, but those who screams the loudest take center stage and carries the most appeal, this is a problem with religiously indoctrinated folks of whatever beliefs, taken to excess they say and do stupid ish and tend to make their beliefs fit the facts rather than the facts fit the beliefs,because at the end of the day it's all about what was written by a bunch of desert nomads in the Bronze age. Are Black and Hebrew mutually exclusive?? no! are African and Hebrews mutually exclusive?? No! could some AAs or New world Blacks have Hebrew ancestors?? Yes! but very few could actually trace that genealogy back across the pond called the Atlantic to any exact match, so some take various attributes from various African civilizations claimed it, but turn around and reject the descendant of those who remained on the continent. And for the record Africans that were bought over to the so-called new world were Christians Muslims Hebrews but the vast majority by far were Africans who were non Abrahmic in faith, so much so that such faiths and beliefs influenced the Americas and the world in general. It is high time that Black folks move away from beliefs into fact based science, while science can be flawed it also self corrects, religious beliefs can do no such thing and that's why cults is very hard to get out of. Absolutely. Yes, I do believe that some of us have Hebrew blood but not all of us as they make it out to be. You have scholars that have confirmed this and even when you look at the Lemba Tribe who has Hebrew ancestry which has been confirmed. But when the Black Hebrews disclaim African thats when its a problem, or when they deny their African DNA & says "the Bible is my DNA test" which is extremely ignorant and uneducated to even respond to; and I'm sorry but I dont believe in any history that the Bible even speaks of! Biblical history is unproven and unrealistic, almost like a sci-fi series. Lol.
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Post by ANCIENT on Feb 15, 2016 12:51:42 GMT -5
One of my favorite Elders of the Hebrew Israelite community is Elder Rawchaa from GOCC, and I cant lie he be having Jewish Rabbi's in a corner looking sad & embarrassed. He proved to me that the white Jewish community cannot be real authentic Jews. Just watch these debates...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 4:26:56 GMT -5
But earlier you said Shem Ham and Japheth plus 5 others were the only survivors of the flood, I am still not clear if Shem is Negro or not,...No. Shem was not black. Shem and Japheth were brothers by Noah and a light colored female, possibly oriental. Dr. John D Pilkey has reconstructed the Genesis-10 list of nations and patriarchs, and has identified most all the figures. Shem was 1/2 Noah = Turanian, C. Asian, and his (one of them) wife was Jobab, a figure listed later down under the list as a vessel. The Table of Nations is NOT a genealogy, but does have some genetic examples. The reidentifications are obtained by deep studies into extra-biblical national histories and records - legends, myths and other references to origins. He has found all the wives of the Genesis-10 males. Ham was a half red fro Noah's other wife, Havilah, a pure blood Amerindian type. The researches can be found published by me on your local Am a zonian books web site under my name and his: John D Pilkey, and Ross S Marshall. You all will find the book material FACINATING! They answer many many unanswered questions. )
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 14, 2017 10:11:28 GMT -5
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