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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 16:45:10 GMT -5
Are you being "disingenuous" again Capra?? SMH. Maybe you should be working on that team of researchers after all that is their profession and not yours...I think. We all agree they don't shyte about history and have their political agenda with interpreting but at least we expect them to know the basics in their field and have correct "assignment" of haplogroups. That is the least they can do and we expect of them. Leave the data interpretation to the experts which they are not. Some of you Europeans are so dis-honest. Tsk! Tsk! That said. My understanding is( xBT)..is A. So we are back to as many as seven African yDNA A in the prehistoric Persian area and you do know that it still exist up today in the modern popualtions....the current study shows that. Typical Euroepan and your deflection. We have eyes to see for ourselves Capra. But lets supposeyou don't believe it...here is another. SMH. Europeans!!! Ancient Migratory Events in the Middle East: New Clues from the Y-Chromosome Variation of Modern Iranians- Viola Grugni, The calls are real Capra. Man! You people just won't stop!!
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 16:45:50 GMT -5
Assuming some of you newbies don't get it. Yes, there is an indigenous African presence in Iran, Pakistan area. A few studies have hypothesize about that. The OP has provided direct evidence by sampling these ancient peoples from Turkmenistan which borders with Pakistan and Iran. These African haplogroups were probably dominant from the late Neolithic through the Iron Age. Their high frequency did not just appear suddenly. Sergi was correct. It looks like these Africans got assimilated or died out but remnants still remain up to today. As you can see E-PN2 is found wide-spread in Iran, Turkey, Indus Valley Area and modern and now ancient Turkmenistan!!!
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 16:47:53 GMT -5
The age of E-M2 was never discussed in the paper. Tic! Toc! That's right Lioness I went through the paper hoping to disentangle the slave connection. And guess what? true to form. No mention or proof throughout the entire document. yes. tsk! Tsk! indeed. They threw that "might" in theree then walked away. Europeans!!! and DNATribes analysis From DNATribes(April 2014)- quote:: ==== Ancient Eurasian and African Ancestry in Europe Background: New Genomes from Ancient Europe Recently published ancient genomes from Europe, Siberia, and North America have provided new insights about the early migrations that have shaped the genetic structure of Europe. In particular, a new tree analysis of Eurasian population history models modern Europeans as a mixture of at least three ancient populations: Early European Farmers (EEF), Western European Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), Ancient North Eurasians (ANE), and Eastern Non-Africans (ENA).2 Some of these ancient populations (such as WHG hunter-gatherers) did not leave genomic traces outside of Europe; other ancient populations (such as the EEF “First Farmers”) left traces across a wider range of territories in both Europe and the Middle East (illustrated in Figure 1). Within this agricultural zone range, EEF farmers came in contact with other ancient populations: In Europe and West Asia, EEF populations mixed with North Eurasians (including Siberian relatives of WHG hunter-gatherers). In the Arabian Peninsula, EEF farmers mixed with ancestral Sub-Saharan Africans RELATED to modern Nigerian, Gambian, and Botswanan populations. In Armenia and Georgia, EEF farmers mixed with South Asian (Indian Subcontinent) populations.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 16:48:36 GMT -5
Are you a Euro ELmaestro? or a Mulatto? You deflect like an European. Just saying. No problem with honest Euros or honest ..anyone. That said.
You still haven't addressed what I said. Why uniparental markers are so important versus ADMIXTURE Charts. Do you agree sexual markers are pass from fathers to sons or mothers to their offspring? Uniparental markers cannot be "lost".
Uniparental markers cannot be misconstrued!!!
But let's assume what you are saying is true. That is some really sloppy work by this crew. But I believe them. Why? See all the geographic pattern I posted with haplogroups. Can't see it changing. Also. Have anyone of you write to them to get the raw data? Apparent you can get it but need to sign a non-disclosure statement of sorts. Beyoku? You in on this? Write to them? But keep it a secret..."in the interest of science"! lol! Man! What is wrong with these people.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 16:49:29 GMT -5
@capra. Come on man this is not the first time you are "eating crow". You screwed up on that North African Torfalt paper. This one will not be any different. So if the yDNA is true and that far inland do you understand the implication? You will be shyting bricks my man. Lol! But yDNA A and E-M2 is found far INLAND in Turkey my man! E-M2 is found in ALL ethnic groups in Iran and predominates around the old Persia City/state. These were African men fugking ElMaestro.
@elmaestro - You know I am probably older and wiser than you. I am not a student. I completed my degrees 2 decades ago. I know that may seem like a long time for someone in their 20's and a student. You should realize that by now. Look at me as a big brother. The infantile pseudo-psycho-babble works on only white people It does not work on a brotha. We are not wired for that. That said. I like you too. So moving on. Do you agree with me on Uniparental markers? Honest now. Black people are honest and honorable people.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 16:50:08 GMT -5
There goes the neighborhood-Armenoids (ids) are mix Africans Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1897/goes-neighborhood-armenoids-ids-africans#ixzz5Bd9f3evP Genetic evidence for an origin of the Armenians from Bronze Age mixing of multiple populations - Marc Haber1 David Comas 2015 The oldest mixture events appear to be between populations related to sub-Saharan Africans and West Europeans occurring ~3,800 BCE, followed closely by mixture of Sardinian and Caucasus-related populations. …… East Asian ancestry in Turks from admixture occurring 800 (±170). We also detect sub-Saharan African gene flow 850 (±85) years ago in Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1897/goes-neighborhood-armenoids-ids-africans#ixzz5Bd9uLTNX Uniparental markers get the most attention because unlike ADMIXTURE charts the data cannot be misconstrued. You know that! Admixture only shows 'shared" DNA. Uniparental markers shows "origin" ie direction of migration. Oh! And Armenia borders Turkmenistan...geography! geography! Geography. Autosomal...my man?
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 16:51:03 GMT -5
I have this anal habit of double checking my data. Sometimes I am surprised by how good I am. I am glad this subject was revisited, on Persia. Looking on the map I was surprise to visualize the capital Tehran is in Central Asia(of Iran) and NOT to the south. That is why you don't see these real black Persian Iranians on TV. To my surprise Persia is smack dead in the middle of Afro-Iranian territory . Man! Talk about a mind job. They fugked with us for centuries! The concentration of black Iranians are in Persia. Tehran(Central Asia) is occupied by the Turks! GTFOH!!! ?
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 16:53:05 GMT -5
Trust me. These yDNA A and E1b is no fluke or error. I am going to go out on a limb and state unequivocally when the aDNA of IVC(Harrapan) is released they will undoubtedly be boat loads of African DNA. Mark my words. Looking at this data set and geography it is unmistakable these were Africans in ancient Persia and IVC.
Lucas Martin, RIP, You were right all along brother.
And Oh! Did you enlighten your boy Davidski....and Reich, that the R1b from this study do NOT support the Steppe Hypothesis that they have been pushing for over several years. Man you Europeans just don't give up. You will hammer it until we are forced to believe it. Thank "god" for the internet and computers . We can do our own research.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 16:56:21 GMT -5
There goes the neighborhood-Armenoids (ids) are mix Africans Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1897/goes-neighborhood-armenoids-ids-africans#ixzz5Bd9f3evP Genetic evidence for an origin of the Armenians from Bronze Age mixing of multiple populations - Marc Haber1 David Comas 2015 The oldest mixture events appear to be between populations related to sub-Saharan Africans and West Europeans occurring ~3,800 BCE, followed closely by mixture of Sardinian and Caucasus-related populations. …… East Asian ancestry in Turks from admixture occurring 800 (±170). We also detect sub-Saharan African gene flow 850 (±85) years ago in Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1897/goes-neighborhood-armenoids-ids-africans#ixzz5Bd9uLTNX Uniparental markers get the most attention because unlike ADMIXTURE charts the data cannot be misconstrued. You know that! Admixture only shows 'shared" DNA. Uniparental markers shows "origin" ie direction of migration. Oh! And Armenia borders Turkmenistan...geography! geography! Geography. Autosomal...my man?
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 16:57:31 GMT -5
Some of the high rollers who penned their name to this one. Is this a cluster F......? This what Capra and his crew is telling us
Nick Patterson2,3,*, Priya Moorjani4,5,+, Iosif Lazaridis1, Iñigo Olalde1 Luca M. Olivieri13, Jonas Oppenheimer1 Zhao Zhang1 Carles Lalueza-Fox55 Matthias Meyer2123 + Kumarasamy Thangaraj, Ron Pinhasi David Reich
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 16:59:21 GMT -5
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 17:00:08 GMT -5
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 17:01:43 GMT -5
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 17:02:20 GMT -5
Hope you understand my post? The minutia? The following is a story “MADE UP” by Europeans anywhere they encountered Africans that they were baffled were there before them. Unfortunately few of our scholars can NOT(edit) translate or get their hands on ORIGINAL historical text(edit)…if they exist. Instead they rely on European Academia. Fortunately genetics has changed all that. And when we get our hands on our own means of aDNA testing we will correct the lies. Sickle Cell arrived in the Harappan Valley 1000’s of years ago with Africans and it has nothing to do with “slavery”. Man! These fugkers are liars. -------- The Genetic Legacy of the Indian Ocean Slave Trade: Recent Admixture and Post-admixture Selection in the Makranis of Pakistan Romuald Laso-Jadart, Abstract From the eighth century onward, the Indian Ocean was the scene of extensive trade of sub-Saharan African slaves via sea routes controlled by Muslim Arab and Swahili traders. Several populations in present-day Pakistan and India are thought to be the descendants of such slaves, yet their history of admixture and natural selection remains largely undefined. Here, we studied the genome-wide diversity of the African-descent Makranis, who reside on the Arabian Sea coast of Pakistan, as well that of four neighboring Pakistani populations, to investigate the genetic legacy, population dynamics, and tempo of the Indian Ocean slave trade. We show that the Makranis are the result of an admixture event between local Baluch tribes and Bantu-speaking populations from eastern or southeastern Africa; we dated this event to ∼300 years ago during the Omani Empire domination. Levels of parental relatedness, measured through runs of homozygosity, were found to be similar across Pakistani populations, suggesting that the Makranis rapidly adopted the traditional practice of endogamous marriages (xyyman comment: no this suggest that Makrani has a prehistorical presence in Pakistan)[/b]. Finally, we searched for signatures of post-admixture selection at traits evolving under positive selection, including skin color, lactase persistence, and resistance to malaria. We demonstrate that the African-specific Duffy-null blood group—believed to confer resistance against Plasmodium vivax infection—was recently introduced to Pakistan through the slave trade and evolved adaptively in this P. vivax malaria-endemic region. Our study reconstructs the genetic and adaptive history of a neglected episode of the African Diaspora and illustrates the impact of recent admixture on the diffusion of adaptive traits across human populations. ----- African presence in the IVC beginning 7000yeras ago. Yeeeeah booooooy! Lol!
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Apr 7, 2018 17:03:00 GMT -5
Geography! Geography Genes! And Geography! Anyone notice it is an odd or a peculiar coincidence or observation that the IVC location has the dubbed Afro-Pakistani, The Persian location has the dubbed Afro-Iranians. All where these ancient civilization has Africans that they dubbed as slaves and a story was created to explain the presence of these Africans in Persian lands and IVC lands. Man…talk about a mind job. These IVC will carry African DNA and so to will the ancient Persians. If Turkmenistan has African yDNA A 4000years ago then all point south will be heavily Africanized. Geography don’t lie. Mark my word.
Sorry Sage. I have to go with the DNA data. These “Negroids” like Gonur are not Australians.
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