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Post by anansi on Mar 5, 2020 12:33:53 GMT -5
Nice up date, and it confirmed the multiple sources that went into it's development.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 5, 2020 15:17:57 GMT -5
Hot off the press...this blew my mind Never mind the BS introduction just look at the facts....ie data. Tell me what you think? If the RV88 is predominantly in West Africans Holy Sh...!! Holy Sh....!!! This what I have hoping to find R-V88 in the Americas. 1500's Holy Sh------!!!! quote: "Turning to Haplogroups J1 and J2 (n=16), as well as E-L117 (n=4), one finds there is a distinct presence of Middle Eastern and North African DNA among the Lumbee males. In fact, t here are more Middle Eastern male lines among the Lumbee than there are Native American male lines. Moreover, there are twenty-one lines among the Lumbee men which carry the R-m512/R1a1a haplotype. This haplotype is found in approximately 50 percent of male Ashkenazi Levites, a hereditary caste within Judaism.72 In addition, the majority of the male Lumbee sample carries the R-v88 subclade of the Rm269 haplogroup." In addition, the majority of the male Lumbee sample carries the R-v88 subclade of the Rm269 haplogroup." egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/3104/colombus-crew-1500-america-africans
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 5, 2020 16:05:27 GMT -5
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 5, 2020 16:06:45 GMT -5
R-V88 indicates an ancient African presence. There is also E-M2
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 5, 2020 17:46:05 GMT -5
I question anything out of Alexandria being "Greek". Hellenistic? Maybe. But really the library was multinational. The intelligentsia simply melded the known into the new. Their invention "genius" didn't exist in Greece now did it? My bias -> @
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 6, 2020 6:04:08 GMT -5
They are classify African genes as "Sephardic" Jew....... =====
Quote:
" Initial scouting expeditions for a location suitable for a trading colony were undertaken by Ralegh and his “Portuguese” pilot, Simon Ferndandez, who was very likely of Sephardic descent.15 "
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 6, 2020 6:16:51 GMT -5
In summary. Just the FACTS!!!
1. The male line of Lumbee(Native American) are mainly African. Ancient African ie RV88. 2. The female line is mainly mtDNA H and subclades
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Post by kel on Mar 7, 2020 0:29:33 GMT -5
If the majority of males carry V88, are these recent arrivals from areas in Africa who carried V88 or more ancient presence ??
Devils advocate: arent these 'slaves'/captives' ??
Lumbees are known to be a racially mixed group. 'In the first federal census of 1790, the ancestors of the Lumbee were enumerated as Free Persons of Color, another term used for a wide variety of non-White people including, non-reservation American Indians, mixed race of American Indian/European, and mixed race African/European.'
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 8, 2020 5:36:49 GMT -5
Slaves? Good question and the typical response. But this is not what the author is suggesting. This is not the spin. The spin? These were "Jews". Sephardic Jew. They are attributing the R-V88 to Sephardic Jews. Really? R-V88 has highest frequency in West Africa. 2nd point. R-V88 is very ancient. The author dates the arrival of R-V88 in the 1500's......based upon "documented" material not aDNA. Interestingly, the R-V88, is NOT found in the general AFRAM populace. The author has assigned an African gene to Sephardic Jews. If the majority of males carry V88, are these recent arrivals from areas in Africa who carried V88 or more ancient presence ?? Devils advocate: arent these 'slaves'/captives' ?? Lumbees are known to be a racially mixed group. 'In the first federal census of 1790, the ancestors of the Lumbee were enumerated as Free Persons of Color, another term used for a wide variety of non-White people including, non-reservation American Indians, mixed race of American Indian/European, and mixed race African/European.'
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Mar 8, 2020 8:32:47 GMT -5
DNA nor aDNA can tell if a person's a Jew or Jewish less lone Sepharade. Genomics tells us breeding population locales by depth and/or frequency. R1-V88 time depth and geographic frequencies are knowns. Sub-haplogroup U-satellites yield original locale of subjects. The branch is the key unlocking geograpic identity. V88 R1b1a* C&N Afr (limited Eur Asia) M18 R1b1a1 Eur V8 R1b1a2 C Afr V35 R1b1a3* Eur V7 R1b1a3a Eur V69 R1b1a4 C&N Afr Updated V88 network solicited. Remember D'Atanasio 2018 has * Central Sahara for 8 * Fula for 6 * NE Africa for 4 * NW Africa for 2 * Tyrrhenian Med for 2 * Bulgarian Sephardi for 1 of her 14 R1a-V88 haplogroups given geo-pop origins.
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Post by kel on Mar 8, 2020 13:02:51 GMT -5
Slaves? Good question and the typical response.
But this is not what the author is suggesting. This is not the spin. The spin? These were "Jews". Sephardic Jew. They are attributing the R-V88 to Sephardic Jews. Really? R-V88 has highest frequency in West Africa.
2nd point. R-V88 is very ancient. The author dates the arrival of R-V88 in the 1500's......based upon "documented" material not aDNA. Interestingly, the R-V88, is NOT found in the general AFRAM populace.
The author has assigned an African gene to Sephardic Jews.]
Ok. So the 'slave' argument is out.
So what is the story ? These R-V88 were already in place in that area and then joined by later group in the 1500s....??
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 9, 2020 6:03:27 GMT -5
But here is the puzzle. Do AFRAMS also carry RV88/R269? We are told some AFRAM males carry RM269. But is it really RV88? If AFRAMS carry RV88/M269 then we may conclude that yes, Africans were here in the Americas BEFORE Columbus. More data is needed. Slaves? Good question and the typical response. But this is not what the author is suggesting. This is not the spin. The spin? These were "Jews". Sephardic Jew. They are attributing the R-V88 to Sephardic Jews. Really? R-V88 has highest frequency in West Africa. 2nd point. R-V88 is very ancient. The author dates the arrival of R-V88 in the 1500's......based upon "documented" material not aDNA. Interestingly, the R-V88, is NOT found in the general AFRAM populace. The author has assigned an African gene to Sephardic Jews.] Ok. So the 'slave' argument is out. So what is the story ? These R-V88 were already in place in that area and then joined by later group in the 1500s....??
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 13, 2020 10:52:52 GMT -5
Here is more data. But here is the kicker from D'Antanasio et al 2018. I posed the question. What percentage of AFRAMS male carry E-M2? Assuming E-M2 from the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. Weeeellll the answer is only 22% of AFRAM males carry E-M2!!!!! does that mean the more than %75 of AFRAMs are Pre-Colombian. Man...this shyte is blowing wide open. Are the remaining males in the America's pre-Colombian? The big question is "how did they pull off the deception?"….. if that is what happened? Thanks to Sage for reminding me of this paper and have me re-read it for this topic. When I posted on the paper many years ago the Theme was the age of E-M2 and it could not possibly be of West African origin. Now this paper is serving other purposes.
Quote:
"E-V4990 is a Moroccan clade dated to < 4.49 kya (the
time estimate of the upstream node). Interestingly, it is
the terminal branch of a nested topology, which divides
western Africa from Morocco. We found a relevant proportion
(~ 22 %) of African-American subjects belonging
to the E-M2 haplogroup (Additional file 1: Table S5).
These groups have been heavily influenced by the Atlantic
slave trade, which took place between the XV and
XIX centuries and of which the source populations were
mainly sub-Saharan people. Consistent with the
autosomal data [55], these subjects have been found to
be very similar to the source African populations in their
E-M2 sub-haplogroup composition (Additional file 2:
Figure S4)."
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Post by kel on Mar 13, 2020 22:47:33 GMT -5
If there is a deception, Pulling it off would be relatively easy right ? Just lie, omit, obsfuscate.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Mar 14, 2020 7:18:09 GMT -5
Can't remember seeing this before. Source? I need to do a deep dive. Got it !! Published in European Journal of Human Genetics 2010 Human Y chromosome haplogroup R-V88: a paternal genetic record of early mid Holocene trans-Saharan connections and the spread of Chadic languages DNA nor aDNA can tell if a person's a Jew V88 R1b1a* C&N Afr (limited Eur Asia) M18 R1b1a1 Eur V8 R1b1a2 C Afr V35 R1b1a3* Eur V7 R1b1a3a Eur V69 R1b1a4 C&N Afr Updated V88 network solicited.
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