Post by asante on Feb 4, 2014 23:24:14 GMT -5
Which claim were you just presented evidence for? Here's more evidence:
Why do the Yoruba use pectorals sporting a Rams head just like the ancient Egyptian example on the top right? The Yoruba claim that their origin is in the East. Did M2 lineages not originate in Eastern Africa somewhere around the Sudan? If the Yoruba genetic lineage originated in Eastern Africa (a fact) then why would you even entertain ONE of their dueling theories of origins which say different? Why believe something that has no evidence to support it?
Here's the thing you need to be aware of. Yoruba is a tonal language. The meaning of a word can change drastically based on the tone used to pronounce it. This is why you can't just look at words across cultures and make conclusions. You have to actually have some knowledge of those languages to understand them. Ancient Egyptian/Coptic, is not a tonal language, nor are any of the Afro Asiatic languages.
Yes I agree. You do have to be very versed in these Niger-Congo Tonal languages in order to properly understand them. The problem is that Europeans did not properly understand those tonal languages and subsequently f-ed up their translations, and as a result our current understanding of African languages (at least in the West) is f-ed up. This is why Theophile Obenga negates the silly indoctrinated belief (stemming from Western sources) that the designated "Afrisan ancient Egyptian" language ≠ Niger-Congo.
Notice how Obenga's language designations takes all of this evidence into account. Why don't you ask why your main sources of information for your argument (assuming) have not taken this information into account in any of their works?
However, in cases where there might be similarities, what would explain them is that both Egypt and various West African ethnic groups share a common ancestor. What's so hard to believe about that?
That's not an explanation! I'm not in the habit of believing in things or theories without evidence being presented to me supporting the stance. If I just blindly accept your unsupported theory about the origins and migrations of my M2 carrying, Niger-Congo speaking ancestors and the explanation (or lack of) for their undeniable presence in ancient Egypt then that would be indoctrination. Why would I allow myself to be indoctrinated?
Who were these "common ancestors"? Where did they break apart? When did this happen? Do you see how vague and useless that "common ancestor" theory is in explaining this? There are no specifics because their is no support for this "theory". Why so strongly advocate a theory that has no support?
Did West Africans originate on another planet besides Earth? Last time I checked, all Africans originated in East Africa. Soooo, some went North, some eventually went west, some went south..... Why would they have had to first travel north to then at some point, and only the big headed people mind you, move south then west when they could have just walked west from jump street?
Why do you ignore this?
Original homeland of the Bantu up to 1500 A.D
Dark shading: Possible ultimate origin of the Bantu
Cross shading: Area of Bantu expansion into Egypt
The most successful of these were speakers of Proto-Afro-Asiatic language from the African rift valley. Going through the savannah, the Chadic speakers reached Lake Chad while the Berbers, the Maghreb and the Proto-Egyptians arrived in Upper Egypt. However Martin Bernal did not consider speakers of Proto-Bantu in his analysis. It is the author’s contention, from the linguistic contents, that speakers of Proto-Bantu played an active part at the time of the expansion of Proto-Afro-Asiatic speakers in the Rift Valley of East Africa. These Proto-Bantu speakers going through the savannah formed part of the migration to Egypt. The Bantu languages together with other indigenous languages fused together and became embedded to form the Proto-Egyptian language. It is for this reason that the Ancient Egyptian language contains a substantial amount of Proto-Bantu or Bantu roots.
However Guthrie speculated that before the Proto-Bantu expansion from Zaire, there had been several pre-Bantu stages, at which time the Bantu ancestors lived far to the north around Lake Chad. One group from this area made its way to Zaire and became the Proto-Bantu. The Proto-Bantu speakers and Proto-Afro-Asiatic speakers lived along side each other. They traded together, shared and exchanged common vocabularies of words.
However Guthrie speculated that before the Proto-Bantu expansion from Zaire, there had been several pre-Bantu stages, at which time the Bantu ancestors lived far to the north around Lake Chad. One group from this area made its way to Zaire and became the Proto-Bantu. The Proto-Bantu speakers and Proto-Afro-Asiatic speakers lived along side each other. They traded together, shared and exchanged common vocabularies of words.
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The map below shows OUR blood disease following the trail of this lonely "Afrisan" migration above even out into the Middle East. We can see (look really hard) that all types of Sickle Cells (ignore the misleading labels that they have assigned each type) are found in Iran. Iran is the location of ancient Mesopotamia. The ancient Sumerian inhabitants of Mesopotamia spoke a language related to Niger-Congo (or was apart of) which has been noted by contemporary white scholars.
Notice that the trail of sickle cell also goes into Turkey and Greece. Did Brace 2006 not group the Natufanians of Palestine/Canaan as "true Negroid" US ("Niger-Congo links" as he phrased it)? Ricaut 2008 did he/she not conclude that collective evidence suggested that populations with "Sub Saharan morphologies" were the base population of the Levant, southern Europe, and yes Europe. These people were of course farmers. "Hellenization" or the coming of the Dorians, or populations with contemporary European affinities (haplogroup R carriers) trickled down into southern Europe and parts of the Middle East.
Or this:
and the fact this theory in no way shape or form conflicts with the position of contemporary M2 lineage carrying, Niger-Congo speaking "true negroes".
Do the ancient Egyptian and Sudanese individuals below look like Nilotes, Horners/Hamites, US, the Twa, Khoisan?
I think that given what we know it's just common sense at this point.
Albinism is the total absense of skin pigmentation, not low pigmentation.
If you want you can new thread out of it.