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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Oct 24, 2018 21:51:41 GMT -5
Great find. About how much gold was coming out of Kilwa back in the day? I thought it was Mali in West Africa pumping out most of the metal in medieval times. Where was Kilwa getting the golden ore? They got the gold from Great Zimbabwe. The Swahili Coast had a close relationship with Great Zimbabwe similar to those mega sahelian states and the maghreb. While Great Zimbabwe was not exporting Mali Empire level of gold(2/3rds), they were still exporting a SHIT TON and the MAJORITY of gold in the Indian Ocean trade. A lot of people dont know that the Swahili Coast and Great Zimbabwe were the most important players in the Indian Ocean trade. Swahili civilization is very underrated.
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Oct 24, 2018 21:45:18 GMT -5
Shits about to get real...
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Oct 23, 2018 12:22:19 GMT -5
Come back to Egyptsearch.
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Jan 17, 2018 14:11:32 GMT -5
About to buy this book. Did SOME research on the author. How good is he for those who have read his past book?
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Jan 14, 2018 15:45:41 GMT -5
What the chart is showing is Western Bantus and Eastern Bantus do NOT share AIM/SNP which would be expected from a demographic(people) movement from West to East. Also, this is what the author concluded. As for AFRAMs. The SNP chart shows AFRAMS share ancestry with several African groups. **How** it happened is where the inference comes in. Jackass!! My guess it is indirectly through European admixture. Maasai are known to share SNPs with Europeans. Europeans were NOT included.
OR.... It could be due to Southeast African slaves being taken to the Americas which actually happened. And some AAs DO show Southeast Bantu admixture at least according Ancestry.com
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Jan 8, 2018 17:50:36 GMT -5
This is some GOOD info! But I thought the Almoravids bringing about the destruction of Ancient Ghana is a myth? But anyways THANKS! Again this is some juicy info. They did not brought about the destruction of Ghana,but they mortality wounded it, ecological changes and Mali did them in. On the question of Ibn Ghaniya , I do need a non wiki source, but I can't give sources I haven't thoroughly read through although ,there are books on him, like the History of Africa by John Fage. Does that book thoroughly cover him?
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Jan 7, 2018 19:52:31 GMT -5
Also is it possible to get sources outside of Wikipedia on this dynasty and Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Yusuf Ben Ghaniy? Because I'm hungry to know more. We already know Western Sudanese aided the Moors in their invasion, again I NEVER knew they actually ruled parts of Spain.
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Jan 7, 2018 19:12:48 GMT -5
This is some GOOD info! But I thought the Almoravids bringing about the destruction of Ancient Ghana is a myth? But anyways THANKS! Again this is some juicy info.
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Jan 6, 2018 11:19:10 GMT -5
THANKS! This is gonna come in handy!
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Jan 6, 2018 3:00:45 GMT -5
Oh *&^#! This is probably what I been looking for! FINALLY a NEW book on medieval West African history. Hope this author drops some new gems, because mosts books on this part of African history has the same old info. Gotta pick this up.
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Jan 6, 2018 2:55:46 GMT -5
The kinship of two 12th Dynasty mummies revealed by ancient DNA sequencing(Dec2017) - Konstantina Drosoua, Campbell Priceb, Terence A. Browna Quote: “reads were obtained from the enriched library, 5422 mapping to the rCRS, revealing the same forty SNPs as typed for Nakht-Ankh, with 15.5× mean coverage (Table 1). No high quality reads were obtained from the shotgun data for Khnum-Nakht. The SNP identities were consistent with mtDNA haplogroup M1a1 with 88.05–91.27% degree of confidence, thus confirming the African origins of the two individuals. The haplotypes included ancestral mutations at positions 489 T→ C, 10,398A →G, 10,400C → T and” Wait did you purchase the entire study? doi.org/10.1016/j.jasrep.2017.12.025^Because anyone else just gets the abstract.
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Nov 4, 2017 16:54:30 GMT -5
NOW THIS is the type of info I been looking for! Good job op! I swear much focus NEEDS to be on the African involvement in the Indian Ocean trade since antiquity. Because I am of the opinion that Africans played a larger role(similar to Trans Sahara Trade) in it. This part of history is neglected besides some local East African archaeologist and few European scholars. I read somewhere that there was African figurines were found in China. This is another shatter to the myth that "Sub Saharan Africans" were isolated from the world. Seriously, I think Africa(not just coastal East Africa but inner Southern Africa) may have had longer and more closer relations with China than thought. This is why African archaeology is a MUST! Good info by Anansi. In general those parts of Africa open to outside water routes have had more contact with the outside. The North African coast we know about, and the Red Sea coast around the Horn of Africa. Later on the Swahili coast of East Africa, then finally the west and southern tip at more recent dates in history. As far as VOLUME of outside contact, many parts of Sub-Saharan Africa have been more isolated. Compare for example the Guinea Coast in the West, to the Horn, in the east. Or the volume and antiquity of outside contacts via Libya in the north, to Namibia or Capetown in the south. I think more will turn up as scientists dig into those western, southern and eastern links. Agreed and good post.
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Jun 27, 2017 9:32:56 GMT -5
NOW THIS is the type of info I been looking for! Good job op! I swear much focus NEEDS to be on the African involvement in the Indian Ocean trade since antiquity. Because I am of the opinion that Africans played a larger role(similar to Trans Sahara Trade) in it. This part of history is neglected besides some local East African archaeologist and few European scholars. I read somewhere that there was African figurines were found in China. This is another shatter to the myth that "Sub Saharan Africans" were isolated from the world.
Seriously, I think Africa(not just coastal East Africa but inner Southern Africa) may have had longer and more closer relations with China than thought. This is why African archaeology is a MUST!
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Nov 6, 2016 19:58:57 GMT -5
Yes I am an Amazigh(berber) We should never forget that The Afroasiatic languages family does not exist see (http://www.ankhonline.com/ankh_num_1/t_obenga_le%20chamito%20semitique.pdf) *the common origin( ( Berber(amazigh) langugue and songhay language) *kusu= cooking pot(songhay/ akos= cooking pot(amazigh) *kulba=flacon(songhay)/ aγalaba=flacon(amazigh) *zarga= boil(songhay/zarget=zrg=boil(amazigh) *zaban= distribute(songhqy/ zabnet=zbn=distribute(amazigh) *tongo= quiver(songhay/ tatunγut=tnγ=quiver(amazigh) songhay people amazigh(berber) people So you ARE Berber. INTERESTING! I find it even more interesting that a Berber has no problem identifying with more "inner Africans." This why I kept asking if you are Berber. Do other Berbers share your opinion. Anyways we can agree-disagree on AA not existing. Not gonna ruin your thread.
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Post by BlessedbyHorus on Nov 5, 2016 13:21:54 GMT -5
Good points Blessedbyhorus. And there's much less effort made to translate these african works because africans are only important when back in the day "caucasoids" or maybe chinese write about them. The questions the OP asked did not go over EVERYONE'S head. I answered the question in my first post. Africans do not write history, they write annals or historical records. History implies interpretation and evaluation of historical records.For example Louis Desplagnes, In Plateau Central Nigerien, used Tarikh al~Fettash to write his history of West African civilizations and people.
Even the Egyptians did not write history, they left a number of historical records that we have used to write history. I have used many native African text to write history. For example I have used Meroitic text to write about the role of Akinidad in the Meroitic-Roman war. See: my book The Kushite Prince Akinidad; and One Eyed Kandake in the Meroite-Roman War I also used the Cascajal Tablet to prove that LaVenta Olmec Head 3, is an image of Bi Po Po, see: www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=15&t=000071#000005There are thousands of historical records written in African scripts, Black people are just too lazy to translate them. That is CLEARLY what the OP meant...
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