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Post by anansi on Feb 6, 2014 20:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by anansi on Feb 6, 2014 21:32:18 GMT -5
 This is what I am talking about the above is an image of Pan which is the God Bes that ultimately came from the Kongo.  Again these are Africans most likely from the civilization in the Kongo with whom Portugal had great relations before it soured From Kongo to Othello to Tango to Museum Showswww.artnews.com/2012/10/25/image-of-africans-in-western-art/ Emanuele Ne Vunda (died 1608), also Antonio Emanuele Ne Vunda, or Antonio Emmanuele Funta, the ambassador from Congo, sent by the king of Congo Alvaro II to Pope Paul V in 1604–1608Ne-Vunda traveled through Brazil and Spain and only reached Rome on 3 January 1608, but he died two days later of illness.
Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1379#ixzz2sbBEHMa7 Simple Africans have been traviling to Europe for X thousands of yrs under many different guises from traders,soldiers,sailors,religious figures,diplomats,slaves Africans In Roman era Europeegyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1122Mike is not above from taking these images of Africans whom he despised and recasts them into native Black Europeans, whether or not any images of aboriginal Black Europeans exist he simply fill in the blanks with Africans..SMH  |
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Post by asante on Feb 6, 2014 22:35:59 GMT -5
Will the real Negro please stand up! Why are you trying to obfuscate my clear point. Where did I ever say that Nilotes, Pygmies, Khoisan, Horners/Hamites were not black? My use of the term "true Negro" or "negroid" is used to specify our particular type of cranial variation and subsequent phenotype, because our phenotype has no other name. How else am I to identify our specific type besides using misleading labels which designate our ancestral population besides our contemporary locations (which does include those OTHER groups as well) or by the sub group name Bantu (though it is what the original Sudanese ancestors actually called themselves ("Anu"). It seems as though you are taking offense to me identifying are specific population out of the African diversity, if so why? I mistakenly attributed this argument to Diop my apologies. None the less it's kinda funny how Ivan Van Sertima said this on the sly. Apparently he knew that such a argument would upset white people, but he still said it. Did he say this because it's true? lol From this statement I get the impression that you tried to present this to Mike and he pretty much shut the argument down. |
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Post by asante on Feb 6, 2014 23:04:49 GMT -5
This is what I am talking about the above is an image of Pan which is the God Bes that ultimately came from the Kongo. Even if so...Why do you appear to feel that the worship of a Congolese God in southern Europe before Christ does not require an aqueduct explanation? Why do you mention everything but the proven migration of blacks (deemed the "Natufanians") from the same migration stemming from Nubia that established ancient Egypt over 12,000 years ago and eventually moved into Palestine, southern Europe and some other parts of Europe. The first wave of whites (Indo Europeans) or the " Hellenization" of southern Europe 2,000 years ago was on top of the black African farmer population that was already in place. or or Is everything that I'm arguing not sufficiently substantiated at this point? Basically our particular African population indicted by phenotype and our own unique blood disease (sickle cell) along with Hamite/Horner E1b1 carriers (based on contemporary genetic evidence) planted the base of civilization (agriculture) and created civilization itself in Europe and Middle East. The first migration of the nomadic white populations from Central Asia brought in the base element of contemporary European biological affinities to all of the regions that were originally comprised of black farmers from the initial migration from Sudan or "Northeast Africa". What specific problems do you have this? |
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Post by anansi on Feb 6, 2014 23:55:21 GMT -5
Never said you claimed that Nilotes, Pygmies, Khoisan, Horners/Hamites weren't black..my opposition to you is your use of the term Negro/Hamites in a bio-anthropological sense and then transplanted those terms into "us"&"them" making the same argument Eurocentrist make that east Africans and west Africans are essentially different only in this case you beefing-up the Negro terminology while they beef-up the Hamitic one,one cannot drink clean water from a dirty glass it's still dirty,despite the fact that bio-anthropologist for a longtime abandoned the use of the term Hamitic/Hamite and Negro and no they were not being PC.
Side note; the origin of the term Ham,came from the Kemitian's word for Black,this came down to us in Hebrew as Ham and in the bible also meaning Black who were the progenitor of much of the civilizations of far antiquity,early Eurocentrist took this term and switched it into meaning dark whites or black white men akin to Europeans, they then made use of the term Negro a term that is connected to the river Niger early Greeks and Romans who had contacts with folks of that river called them collectively as Niger or Nigerians and because these folks were/are Black it became interchangeable, they the the racist anthropologist bagan applying these terms unevenly to Africans they admire or despised hence the Zulus were once called semi Hamites the disaster that was the Rwandan genocide was in part because of this where you have Hutu's considered inferior Negro farmers and Tutsi noble herdsmen when in fact both were/are Bantus with different mode of living and slightly modified looks,this idea came directly from the Belgians in their divide and conquer strategy.
Aaah nope! but studies from labs and folks in the field were presented to Mike and he put it on ignore and make his own stuff up after awhile it best to leave him and his theories be and move on.
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Post by anansi on Feb 7, 2014 0:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by asante on Feb 7, 2014 1:10:26 GMT -5
Never said you claimed that Nilotes, Pygmies, Khoisan, Horners/Hamites weren't black..my opposition to you is your use of the term Negro/Hamites! Your main beef with this argument is over the use of certain names or terms used to identify specific populations in Africa that comprise African indigenous diversity (PC). You have completely ignored the fact that I have explained over and over and over again that the only reason that I am referencing old terms like "Hamitic" and "Negroid" or "true Negro" is because I am trying to specify particular populations within Africa's diversity who conform to specific physical patterns and carry the same lineages (which tends to correlate). As I've said numerous times before there is no other term used to specify these contemporary M2 lineage carrying, Niger-Congo speaking populations (not just the Bantu branch) who sport the so called "true Negroid" cranial variation. What name or term should we address this specific African population as? Or should our collective group of Africans remain nameless. You tell me! As far as Horners/Hamite I've seen the term "Ethiopic" being used to describe them, will that work for you? |
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Post by asante on Feb 7, 2014 1:26:40 GMT -5
So basically we are in agreement on the northward migration of our ancestral population from Nubia (Sudan) into Egypt over 12,000 years ago and eventually points onward into the Middle East, Europe, Asia and parts of Northwest Africa? If so cool! Do you now accept the oral traditions and supporting research (of all disciplines) which confirm that those M2 lineage carrying, Niger-Congo speaking, "Negroid"(for lack of better specific term) populations throughout equatorial Africa which describe an origins and dispersal from Egypt-Nubia? |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Feb 7, 2014 9:16:40 GMT -5
Never said you claimed that Nilotes, Pygmies, Khoisan, Horners/Hamites weren't black..my opposition to you is your use of the term Negro/Hamites! Your main beef with this argument is over the use of certain names or terms used to identify specific populations in Africa that comprise African indigenous diversity (PC). You have completely ignored the fact that I have explained over and over and over again that the only reason that I am referencing old terms like "Hamitic" and "Negroid" or "true Negro" is because I am trying to specify particular populations within Africa's diversity who conform to specific physical patterns and carry the same lineages (which tends to correlate). As I've said numerous times before there is no other term used to specify these contemporary M2 lineage carrying, Niger-Congo speaking populations (not just the Bantu branch) who sport the so called "true Negroid" cranial variation. What name or term should we address this specific African population as? Or should our collective group of Africans remain nameless. You tell me! As far as Horners/Hamite I've seen the term "Ethiopic" being used to describe them, will that work for you? Yes, but what you're not understanding is that associationg M2 with certain physical types is flawed. There are M2 carriers who have narrow features and medium features as well. DNA markers don't plot with physical features all the time. |
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Post by asante on Feb 7, 2014 14:24:38 GMT -5
YThere are M2 carriers who have narrow features and medium features as well. Who might they be? |
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Post by anansi on Feb 7, 2014 20:12:04 GMT -5
So basically we are in agreement on the northward migration of our ancestral population from Nubia (Sudan) into Egypt over 12,000 years ago and eventually points onward into the Middle East, Europe, Asia and parts of Northwest Africa? If so cool! Do you now accept the oral traditions and supporting research (of all disciplines) which confirm that those M2 lineage carrying, Niger-Congo speaking, "Negroid"(for lack of better specific term) populations throughout equatorial Africa which describe an origins and dispersal from Egypt-Nubia? Not only do I agree that migration from the upper Nile valley spread northwards into the lower Nile valley and beyond I have made many a threads postulating that,that folks as well as ideas traveled from the Nile to the Niger I also indicated that, see maps re-posted below.   Look at the blue map see the line that trails off from Chad/Niger and heading into northern Nigeria??..as for folk memories traveling from the north and north East to settle on the banks of the rivers Niger and Senegal I have little problem with that for they had to have came from somewhere but this have to be seen in the context of migration movements for the peopling of Africa at large,such movement were thousands of years in the making. "Earlier I posted some pics to show the futility of separating each other by phenotype I was not being facetious.  Afam Onyema, Dr. Godwin Onyema both are Nigerian Americans
Chief operating officer, Geanco Foundation, along with Jessie Jackson
who is more likely to have multiple African ethnic mix as well as non African. Marine Capt. Ademola Fabayo Nigerian American receiving the nation's second highest military awards the Navy Cross.
 Hussein Samatar Former Banker now politician in Minneapolis a Somali American  The Notorious Biggie Smalls deceased hip hop great an African American perhaps with multiple African ethnic mix looking somewhat like the Somali American above. Somali American kids ballers one is hard pressed to distinguish them and their old line African American counter parts who are more often than not Niger Kordofanians  Shaggy recording artist Jamaican of multi African and non African ethnic mix Of the three the beauty on the left is Jamaican most likely of Niger Kordofanian plus other African ethnic mix non African ethnic cannot be ruled out,of the male Niger Kordofanian, family tradition says he is of Jamaican Maroon ancestry notably Akan, the other beauty Nigerian
American both parents .  P.Diddy African American ,more likely of Niger Kordofanian ancestry and Somali Canadian hip-hop artist K'naan Afrisan speaker.
Niger-Kordofianian works just fine ain't nothing wrong with that.
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Post by asante on Feb 8, 2014 15:45:59 GMT -5
Look at the blue map see the line that trails off from Chad/Niger and heading into northern Nigeria??.. Yes it's the same migration that details the same Nilotic migration from the Upper Nile onto Lake Chad. What about it? I'm not really understanding the points of your subtle doubts. lol No you really didn't do that. Notice how you just use the term "Nigerian" to describe certain individuals. Do you know how ethnically diverse Nigerians are? You have intra mixed Africans like Fulani (who are generally mixed with "Ethiopic" Berbers and " Niger-Kordofanian/ US) and Hausa (literally a gumbo of Nilotic, Ethiopic, and "Niger-Kordofanians"), and then you have the Niger-Kordofanian groups US. The distinction in the physical appearance between these groups has been noted and is most likely related to their relatively substantial external African ancestry to the general "Niger-Kordofanian" populations throughout equatorial Africa. Now while the "Caucasoid" is of course BS their general distinction in phenotypes is a noted fact. The Tutsi of course with their Nilotic admixture give them their more gracile appearance as well. The little noses and head shape on the Somali hoopers and the little noses and lips on the fat Somali in relation to Biggie gave him away. Everything about the Ethiopic dude you put next to Diddy (including overall swag) told on him. As a "Niger-Kordofanian" I can easily pick out my own kind I guess you can same..no lie. |
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Post by anansi on Feb 8, 2014 20:49:39 GMT -5
Asante Because some folk traditions points them to be descendants of the Prophet Muhammad,Jews the queen of Sheba or any numerous Biblical or Koranic figures,like TruthTeacher said folks traditions is just that folk traditions. What I said on page 4: Asante Exactly the point being made all that intra African ethnic mix so how then are you going to successfully separate "them" especially when you use the term "Us" AkA Niger Kordofinians a language group to include the Black westerners don't you see how futile that exercise is??.  Look at the wide geographical area the spread of that language is, there is bound to be physical and cultural similarities and dissimilarities. Red Ibos Niger Korodfanians   egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1480 This also is of interest Jamaicans with Red Hair and frecklesegyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/956 |
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Post by anansi on Feb 8, 2014 21:27:47 GMT -5
And yet it is the relatively lite skinned Fulani who are Niger Korodofanians and the relatively darker Hausa who are Afrasians,and the Fulani are not Somali although resembling them somewhat some of the time. Btw Carlton Coon??..really???   Dahomey Applique cloth Battle scene Red and Black motif Yoruba vs Dahomey the Yoruba are pictured Black the Dahomeans are Red. thenile.phpbb-host.com/ftopic494.php |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Feb 9, 2014 2:03:48 GMT -5
Asante Because some folk traditions points them to be descendants of the Prophet Muhammad,Jews the queen of Sheba or any numerous Biblical or Koranic figures,like TruthTeacher said folks traditions is just that folk traditions. What I said on page 4: Asante Exactly the point being made all that intra African ethnic mix so how then are you going to successfully separate "them" especially when you use the term "Us" AkA Niger Kordofinians a language group to include the Black westerners don't you see how futile that exercise is??. Look at the wide geographical area the spread of that language is, there is bound to be physical and cultural similarities and dissimilarities. Red Ibos Niger Korodfaniansegyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1480 This also is of interest Jamaicans with Red Hair and frecklesegyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/956 I've been quite busy, but I'll add a bit here. There's much more I want to say though. For one thing, on the point of origin myths. I'm fully aware of claims of an Egyptian association by certain Yorubas. My question, who to believe? According to the traditional spiritual tradition, the Earth began at Ile Ife when God sent Odudua from heaven to create the Earth. Then there are those claiming an Egyptian or Nubian origin, but that's just the beginning. Then there are the ones claiming a Mesopotaminan origin as the descendants of Nimrod. Then we have the lost tribe of Israel camp. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! Then there's the camp claiming an origin in Mecca after the time of the Prophet. Supposedly Odudua was born a Muslim and returned to paganism and was banished because he tried to overcome Islam and return to paganism and eventually settled in Ile Ife. And last but not least is the Yemenite origin theory..... Is anyone seeing a problem here? My basic premise is this, the similarities in cultural practices observed between certain West African groups and Egyptians is not due to a westward Egyptian migration, but to the fact that Egypt and those cultures are the children of an older parent culture. This is the exact same thing that Van Sertima says in the video clip provided earlier in this thread. I invite one and all to listen closely to what he says starting from 19:00 minutes to about 19:30 minutes. |
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