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Post by rivertemz on Apr 11, 2014 22:59:58 GMT -5
Thank you for that news article, very informative. I know a bit about Aswan, the Lower Egyptian state with majority Nubian/Egyptians .
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Post by anastasiaescrava on Apr 11, 2014 23:15:15 GMT -5
There's no such thing as African/negroid features... Come on now....this is getting old... Although you make a valid point, you still aren't understanding the basics? I use those terms not for general accepted classification, but rather terms used by those who obviously are insufficiently unaware of Africa's cultural and ethnic demographics. I emphasis on those words merely to recognise those old terminologies to blatantly contradict their racial claims. It's kinda hard to grasp that the way you wrote it.
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Post by rivertemz on Apr 11, 2014 23:25:39 GMT -5
The topic of conversation is Modern Egyptian demographics, not violent confrontations in Egyptian society. So what does your post have to do with the topic? Nothing..... You're making an issue out of a non issue simply becaus you're choosing to crate an argument. Why? For the fact that #1. I'm light skinned and #2. Because I I tell the truth that the Modern Egyptians are in fact the descendants of the Ancients, where as you are of the opinion that they wee all coal black and the Modern people are Arabs. #3. Because I do not ascribe to your theory that the native Egyptians got up and ran away to West Africa. Your tone has nothing to do with the topic at hand, or me really, but everthing to do with your black supremacist color complex. The fact that I tell it like it is doesn't do much for our friendship, I get it, but.... Another undercover eurasian nut who wants to talk about skintones and stupid stuff like that. Same as the original poster in this thread... When we say Ancient Egyptians are Africans, we're not just talking about skintones and trivial stuff like that. We say Africans and Ancient Egyptians are Africans archaeologically, historically, culturally, geographically, linguisticaly, biologically and genetically. When I say Africans I mean Africans like Yoruba, Wolof, Afar, Somali, Dinka, etc. Black Africans. Sub-Saharan Africans. People who didn't leave African during the Out of Africa migration. People having the Y-DNA haplogroup A, B and E and mtDNA L. People who are genetically close to each other. Ancient Egyptians and Africans don't just share skintones or geography. They share an history, and archaeological past, a biology, culture, etc. Ancient Egyptians were not Europeans or West Asian transplants. They were African in every sense. Indigenous black Africans. Like Yoruba, Wolof, Afar, Somali, Dinka, Nubian, Ancient Egyptians, Kongo, etc. Of course there was some admixture with West Asian people (and even European) but it was minimal since any people close to each other share some genes. The same way Ancient Greek, like modern Europeans, have some African genes. Modern Egyptians which are closer to Ancient Egyptians are those sharing not just skintones but the larger part of everything with other African people including history, archeology, biology, genetic, etc. Multiple foreign invasion and conquests including the Arab Conquest changed the ethnic composition and population structure of modern Egypt like Mesopotamia or America for example. They also changed the culture and religion. I would say those Nubian people are probably the people the closest to Ancient Egyptians in modern Egypt more so than most member of the Arab tribe with whom they have a feud with. The ethnic composition of egypt changed a lot since 5000 years ago. What have I said out of line on my OP to consider me a Eurasian nut. I read your^ response to truthteacher2007. And I totaly agree with it. So why would just recognising phenotypes and the cultural demographics in Egypt become such a bad move or stupid??
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Post by azrur on Apr 11, 2014 23:54:35 GMT -5
the only difference between these 2 groups is that they are rich enough to afford nivea and hair gel and what actually do your egyptian friends tell you? i have heard saudis say their skin color is white as snow and kurds tell me they are aryans with blonde hair and blue eye also what would these friends more look like the people in the bottom group or top group? First of all I'm going to attempt to respond without repeating the points I've already made. My friends would lie more on the top group, all of them have beige skin but 2 with curly/kinky hair and 3 of them with straight hair. I could recognise the difference between them and Moroccans and Libyans whilst they also have an admixture. for example I have a Moroccan friend who classifies himself as Black- Arab, but looks like a very pale skinned african with an asiatic face, but kinky African hair. I am aware that a percentage of Egyptians never want to classify themselves as "Africans", Cairo locals tend to separate themselves from subsaharan-africans, out of their ignorance and imperialistic mindset that the colonial era left behind. But I believe if they were expose to the American socio and racial-construct in it's past and present day. Then they would most likely re-evaluate their recognise identity. this is the case for half of Egyptian migrants to America. Egyptian immigrant wants to be Reclassified as Blackyou will be surprised how much nivea can lighten your skin some of the girls do look very pale though but for the most part they just have same look as the other group with gel in their hair
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Post by rivertemz on Apr 12, 2014 0:01:52 GMT -5
First of all I'm going to attempt to respond without repeating the points I've already made. My friends would lie more on the top group, all of them have beige skin but 2 with curly/kinky hair and 3 of them with straight hair. I could recognise the difference between them and Moroccans and Libyans whilst they also have an admixture. for example I have a Moroccan friend who classifies himself as Black- Arab, but looks like a very pale skinned african with an asiatic face, but kinky African hair. I am aware that a percentage of Egyptians never want to classify themselves as "Africans", Cairo locals tend to separate themselves from subsaharan-africans, out of their ignorance and imperialistic mindset that the colonial era left behind. But I believe if they were expose to the American socio and racial-construct in it's past and present day. Then they would most likely re-evaluate their recognise identity. this is the case for half of Egyptian migrants to America. Egyptian immigrant wants to be Reclassified as Blackyou will be surprised how much nivea can lighten your skin [images] some of the girls do look very pale though but for the most part they just have same look as the other group with gel in their hair I've actually heard about how popular lightening creams are in Egypt; (CNN)
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Post by rivertemz on Apr 12, 2014 0:06:08 GMT -5
And just to clarify,are you obsessed with colorism. Do you think light skinned Africans look better ? And associating European standard of beauty is justifiable Or are you just stating what goes on in reality?
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Post by rivertemz on Apr 12, 2014 0:08:23 GMT -5
I use those terms not for general accepted classification, but rather terms used by those who obviously are insufficiently unaware of Africa's cultural and ethnic demographics. I emphasis on those words merely to recognise those old terminologies to blatantly contradict their racial claims. It's kinda hard to grasp that the way you wrote it. Okay..
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Post by azrur on Apr 12, 2014 0:11:01 GMT -5
And just to clarify,are you obsessed with colorism. Do you think light skinned Africans look better ? And associating European standard of beauty is justifiable Or are you just stating what goes on in reality? just stating what goes on but that is their standard of beauty and it is what they choose to be if they want it to be a european one or a asian one or a african one they can go ahead it is not my place to tell them what must be done
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Apr 12, 2014 1:12:30 GMT -5
First of all I'm going to attempt to respond without repeating the points I've already made. My friends would lie more on the top group, all of them have beige skin but 2 with curly/kinky hair and 3 of them with straight hair. I could recognise the difference between them and Moroccans and Libyans whilst they also have an admixture. for example I have a Moroccan friend who classifies himself as Black- Arab, but looks like a very pale skinned african with an asiatic face, but kinky African hair. I am aware that a percentage of Egyptians never want to classify themselves as "Africans", Cairo locals tend to separate themselves from subsaharan-africans, out of their ignorance and imperialistic mindset that the colonial era left behind. But I believe if they were expose to the American socio and racial-construct in it's past and present day. Then they would most likely re-evaluate their recognise identity. this is the case for half of Egyptian migrants to America. Egyptian immigrant wants to be Reclassified as Blackyou will be surprised how much nivea can lighten your skin some of the girls do look very pale though but for the most part they just have same look as the other group with gel in their hair The only one who lightened their skin was Sammy Sosa and he used something far stronger than Nivea. The others can be explained by natural processes. Firstly, If you are a light skinned person, you skin tone will be different in the winter, when you spend most of the time indoors and the summer when you spend more time outside. Also, the type of lighting used can make a person look very different. Consider all the controversy over India Ari's photo on one of her her albums: Everyone assumed she had lightened her skin. She didn't. It was the lighting. India on Oprah later that year But notice the difference in her skin tone when shot from a different angle on the exact same show Picture of India under dimmer lighting Also keep in mind that people sometimes wear foundation that is slightly lighter than their natural complection.
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Post by rivertemz on Apr 12, 2014 2:53:17 GMT -5
Yup True Foundation and Make-up tends to give a lighter skin tone. It shouldn't be so difficult to figure out and it shouldn't be a big deal.
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Post by amunratheultimate on Apr 12, 2014 5:35:58 GMT -5
Well then, according to your criteria, we have to exclude a considerable percentage of African Americans That's a lie and it's pretty obvious if you look at most African Americans for like 5 seconds (aka you're an idiot). Here's a NJ tree showing the genetic distance of African-Americans in relation to other African, European and Middle East populations (autosomal STR, so not only uniparental): This is from the study called: The Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African AmericansClearly African-American cluster, are genetically closer, to other African populations than any Eurasian population. African-American are basically West African transplants for the most part. As a side note, we can also note that population which are geographically close to Africans like Mozabites, Palestinians are closer to African than population that are further away. It is usually true for any populations on earth. Thanks for paying lip service to it but then all you do is talk about stupid stuff like skin tones. The only thing you ever talk about is skin tones. It's like the Hyksos, Assyrian, Arab and various foreign conquest never happened. Retracing the history of people is not about skintones you dimwit. It's about archaeology, history, culture, language, genetics, biology, etc. True science, true knowledge. Leave serious stuff for the adults.
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Post by zarahan on May 22, 2014 8:58:13 GMT -5
Amun-Ra stick to the issues in this thread, not personalities.
T-teacher says: I don't think anyone in this conversation is unaware of the fact that Egyptians were not Asiatics, but native Africans who were genetically, culturally and linguisticly related to other African populations.
Since we all agree on this, I am a bit unclear as to what the "controversy" is. You say Tteacher is "only" talking about skintones. OK, what other lines of evidence do you have to round out the picture in comparing modern Egyptians to ancients?
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Post by khaled1991 on Sept 22, 2016 13:41:07 GMT -5
Egyptian was not white nor black there skin color was reddish-brown and There is an extraordinary abundance of Egyptian works of art which clearly depicted sharply contrasted reddish-brown Egyptians and black Nubians, we are proud to be African but we are not black African nether was our ancestors. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Egyptian_races.jpg
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Sept 22, 2016 14:38:14 GMT -5
Another wanna scholar using Wiki as a source. Siiiggghhhh! When will you and your buddies learn. Damn you guys are thick.
Some White European Americans think America was always a white European country. Tic! ….Toc!....Tic!...Toc! think Ottoman Turks.
Let me see how long it will take you for the alarm bells to go off.
Oh! Nice choice of screen name...Khaled. Very original (insert sarcasm). Definitely not a name given to a West Virginian. lol! Finished high school bainiac?
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Post by khaled1991 on Sept 23, 2016 4:42:58 GMT -5
Another wanna scholar using Wiki as a source. Siiiggghhhh! When will you and your buddies learn. Damn you guys are thick. Some White European Americans think America was always a white European country. Tic! ….Toc!....Tic!...Toc! think Ottoman Turks. Let me see how long it will take you for the alarm bells to go off. Oh! Nice choice of screen name...Khaled. Very original (insert sarcasm). Definitely not a name given to a West Virginian. lol! Finished high school bainiac? Please sir , i do not know what makes you go so angry all what i show to you was a picture from Egyptian temple that clarives how ancient egyptiants was clearly depicted sharply contrasted reddish-brown Egyptians and black Nubians , I'm an african & i'm proud to be and will always be and i love africa so mush but i'm not black i have a brown skin & so was the majorty of the people living in ancient egypt, like Ramesses II en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ramesses_II_as_child.jpgand Hatshepsut en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatshepsut#/media/File:Hatshepsut.jpegand many many others Ancient egypt is an african civilization, and if you sir come her to egypt even in giza near cairo where i live , the majority of people have brown skin the tan increase when you go south and decrees when you go north, most of the egyptians believe that our ancestors come from east africa, and about the lighter tan skin in lower egypt , you have to notice that the ancient egyptians specially the north ones were have connections with the Semitic people long time ago and that the Semitic people ruled egypt in 1620 BC en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksosand they ruled lower and middle Egypt for more than 100 years. and that's before the time of ramesse and the new Egyptian kingdom there was trade affairs with them all the time , then comes the Greeks , Arabs etc. that's why you found the people in lower egypt are mixed it was because of Mating between the egyptians and those new comers , but in upper egypt most of the people have the ancient egyptians appearance to this day. I hope that clarify some point and i hope to continue the discussion with you and with any one who ant that. Egyptian African and proud. cheers and peace to all
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