Post by djoser-xyyman on Jul 29, 2014 14:37:16 GMT -5
I just don't get it! How can a man be sexually attracted to another man.
Your argument was initially the lack of women during war expeditions and prison. Although I assume the men have visits from their wife/girlfriend.
Then it became "attraction" to another man. WT. what is sexually attractive about another man. Women has so much going for them. I love to see a woman walk. Especillay the sistas their legs, the smile. The curves, their voice......who wants to be making out and hear that deep voice plus a bearded face and mustach plus hairy balls...,,
As I said it is a mental desease. The after shock of a screwed child hood. I just don't get it ......
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Jul 29, 2014 14:48:51 GMT -5
Once again, I'm not justifying or defending anything, I'm just telling you how it is. I'm not saying you need to be cool with it, you have to do it, I'm just letting you know the world you live in is not as cut and dry and simple as you think it is. All kinds of things happen for all different types of reasons. In some countries marrying a woman out of love makes as much sense as fking a horse. In Pakistan just this year, at least two women had their throats slit because they dared to marry the men they loved instead of the men their families choose for them. I have friends who got married not because they wanted to, but because their families demanded that they did. These are men who identify as heterosexual. They were happy being players, till thier family stepped in and said enough of this bullshit, time to marry and have some kids. Our concept of personal freedom and identity doesn't exist in their culture. For them it's not about you're personal happiness or identity, but the identity of the family and community. Whether or not you are happy is not as important as your duty. If you ain't happy, tough! Learn how to deal with it. That was the way the whole world was. The world you and I live in where we consider the ability to live life on our terms, the right to personal happiness and fullfilment as a God given right, is the very concept which allows women to have a life beyond the duties of the kitchen and gays and lesbians the right to love who they want to love. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather live in a world where I'm free to call my own shots, rather than a world where my family and neighbors have the right to tell me what I can do for a living, who I can marry, what to wear, what to think. how to pray. If you want your freedoms, you have to let others have theirs too. Otherwise, one day someone can come along and dictate to you who you can be and what you can do in your life.
It just hit me. man-man sex is ok. But same sex marriage is not? Just curious, tic tic
With these sanctioned man-boy relationship.... In African societies (sic).
So is it love or just deviate sexual behavior? Maybe man-man marriage should be welcome then these people would die out.
It sounds like the argument is penetrating a "boy" besides being a sick pedophille, serves a temporary need because no female is around due to incarceration or war expeditions.
Sounds like a deprave behavior if females are around
It will never die out because it is a natural part of the diversity of life exptession on the planet. It takes 2 heterosexuals to make 1 homosexual. The reason you can't understand this is because you are trapped by the constrainst of your world view. No big deal, most of are prisoners of our own perspectives. There is no one reality in the world. We live in a multiplicity of realities, or points of view, each as real to the observer as the other.
In our society we view the world from the perspective of heterosexual and homosexual. You're either one or the other. This is not a universal truth, it's a social construct. In other places and times, sexuality was viewd differently. People say the world from the perspective of male/female. Men penetrate, women get penetrated. Therefore, as long as one takes the active role in sex, penetrator, he is a man. One who is penetrated is less than a man. This is probably why boys and young men were allowed. Boys and teenagers were not considered men. They were male, but not full men, therefore, their status was below that of a man. They were naturally subserviant. Once they reached the age of adulthood, they were men and were expected to act as men and that meant, getting married and having children.
Another difference is that in our society there is the expectation of love in marriage, which carries the obligation, or expectation of fidelity. In the past and in many societies marriage has nothing to do with love. It's a social obligation to one's family. You get married to perpetuate the family line and pass on your wealth to the next generation. A woman gets married to have someone take care of her. In exchange she takes care of the home and provides children, preferably male to continue the family line. People didn't choose their spouses, the family did. Your parents would look for a sutable mate. So for a woman, the parents look for someone who above all, could be a good provider, then they considered his character. For a man, his family looked for a woman who was of good character, from a good family, many times one who could pay them a good dowery. She should also be healthy, a good cook etc. Oh yeah, she better be a virgin! Only a woman was expected to be faithful in marriage. Why? No man wants to pass his wealth on to another man's child. A woman was a man's property. Having another ma sleep with your wife means you were weak and unable to protect your property. A man on the other had was free to do whatever the hell he pleased. Sex was a man's right and a way that he showed his power and dominion. If he felt like sticking it in a prostitute, another man who would let him or a boy or teenager, that was fine because he was in the positio of strength exercising his power. This is why in war, the captives were often raped. To rape an enemy soldier was to show you were victorious and stronger, more manly than they were. Ever wonder why we tell other men you and suck my dick? It goes back to those times when sex was often used as a way of humiliating your enemy. To be a man who allowed himself to be penetrated.... Let's just say you never wanted to admit to that or get caught. That was a disgrace. The only way you could restore your honor was to prove you could function in the male role in sex.
Here's the other thing that didn't exist back then, a concept exclucivity in sexual desire. We think that if a man is attracted to other males it automatically means he is incapable of being sexually attracted to the opposite sex. In the ancient world, no one thought that way. There was no equivalent of a gay identity. This is why even thogh a man had a taste for male sex, (as long as he was the top), no one thought anything about it. He was still expected to get married. No one would have been able to understand that a man refused to get married just because he liked to screw dudes. That would have made as much sense to them as someone saying they can't eat apples because they love to eat oranges. It was just a different flavor. No one's self identity was tied into their sexual preference. Sexwas something you did, not what or who you were. So even a passive homosexual could change in the eyes of society if he stopped allowing himself to be penetrated and took the active sex role, got a wife and had kids. By doing so, he proved his manhood. The idea of sexuality being set in stone that we have didn't exist.
Here's something else to consider, changing economy and technology. In ancient times when survival was based on hunting and agriculture, it was neccessary to have very defined gender roles. Women had children, therefore they took care of the home. Men had superior physical strength, they hunted, farmed etc. These activities were dependent on having children to help with the work. Today, our economies are more based on technology and industry. The roles of women have changed. They don't have to be limited to the home. A woman can take care of herself now, she doesn't need a man. With the decline of religion, a shift to a secular society, more social equality, men also have options that didn't exist before. If he doesn't want to get married, he doesn't have to. Furthermore, because women are more independent, they expect more. Adultery is unacceptable. Whereas in the past, she was expected to shut up and ignore it, now she can sue for divorce. She expects not only fidelity, but love. Men also expect to have love in marriage. Therefore, for men who are attracted to other men, the idea of marrying someone you don't love, is unacceptable.
Our hormones as humans are one thing, how we organize our societies and the rules we come up with to do it are something else. We are reinventing the wheel all the time. What we do and how we do it changes as the needs of our societies change. We are on the cusp of one of those periods of changing circumstances and expectations. I'm old enough to remember when a woman wearing pants, wanting to run a marathon or go to a gym was a big deal. A man pushing a baby carriage, wearing a pink shirt, taking care of the kids, UNHEARED OF! The only certainty in human existance is change.
^^ Agreed this is why I prefer a more liberal approach to the basics. A society that tolerates or ignores men who marry men is stronger than one where homosexuals are stoned, assaulted and burned alive. Also why is marijuana illegal all throughout Africa while people smoke a grade called Kush everywhere? Isnt it about time Kush grows the world’s Kush?
Well I'd prefer a return to natural herbs like Lambsbread or Thai stick or Kona Bud or Texas Brown or Panama Red or even good old Yard Sensi to these new Euro biology designed cannabis offerings currently on the market.
Which one would make the best Hookah in your opinion
Jul 29, 2014 12:37:16 GMT -7 djoser-xyyman said:
I just don't get it! How can a man be sexually attracted to another man.
One day I was sexing this good looking young lady who queefed and insulted the room with a fonky fishy smell. If I didn’t have hormones that keep reminding me of how much I like vagina I would have turned gay a long time ago.