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Post by seekeroftruth on Nov 12, 2014 3:03:27 GMT -5
For anyone interested, I can upload the link to Ivan Van Sertima's "Golden age of the Moor".
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Post by snakepit on Nov 12, 2014 21:30:12 GMT -5
I'm still not sure I understand the point you're trying to make. But if you mean someone suggesting Modern Lybians are really Italians, I'd say that is pure nonsense. Italy did colonize Lybia and I'm sure that a certain amount of Italians may have settled there, but it would have been very small. Lybians still speak Arabic and Berber, not Italian. Their music and dance is still distinctly African, not Italian or European. For example the Kabyle dance has more in common with African dances you see in Congo than it does with anything anywher in Europe. Africans dance with shalking hips, not Europeans. Raks Sharki, Raks Baladi, Raks Chabbi all these North African dance styles belong to the same movement family with other African dances. Even if you look at Alaoui dance in Algeria and you look at the way they move the shulders, it is much closer to Eithiopian Eskista dance to anything you see in Italy or Europe. I think people spend far too much time looking at skin color rather than culture and way of life. I think this tells the truth about who a people are and where they belong much more than people's idea of what they think an African should look like or who they are related to. The question is not IF North Africans are related to other Africans. The question is WHICH other Africans they are related to and how. Honestly, if we can accept people in the African diaspora who look just as white as Europeans, as being part of the African family, then why is it so hard to believe that people in North Africa who look the same are also part of the African family? Whether they look the way they do because of mixture or climactic adaptation or a combination of the two, there is much more about them that is distinctly African and very little about them that is European when you take into consideration, culture, geography, language etc. They're (the pale-skinned ones) are foreign to the continent. They just appropriated the culture which was well established when "they" arrived there. Same thing with Arabic music, the "African" influence is substantial, since the Arabs themselves are an Africoid people. Focussing on culture alone is not a good idea. There are plenty of white americans who indulge in African/African-derived culture, but that doesn't mean that they themselves are African. |
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 13, 2016 0:52:09 GMT -5
The Moors were North African Berbers and Arabs. All the ancient artwork of the Moors shows them to be white. Black North Africans are nothing more than descendants of slaves.
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Post by anansi on Feb 13, 2016 1:32:14 GMT -5
Please go over this thread.
And please no trollishness we have very little patience for that, bring goodies to the table and see it it matches up.
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 13, 2016 1:44:24 GMT -5
European art of black Moors are not meant to be taken seriously.
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Post by anansi on Feb 13, 2016 1:51:25 GMT -5
European art of black Moors are not meant to be taken seriously. And why not?? |
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 13, 2016 2:06:50 GMT -5
ACTUAL Moors as depicted in the Spanish and Portuguese chronicles by iberians who Actually lived alongside and were in contact with during the middle ages and the reconquista period.
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 13, 2016 2:07:46 GMT -5
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 13, 2016 2:08:47 GMT -5
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 13, 2016 2:09:45 GMT -5
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Post by anansi on Feb 13, 2016 2:10:07 GMT -5
ACTUAL Moors as depicted in the Spanish and Portuguese chronicles by iberians who Actually lived alongside and were in contact with during the middle ages and the reconquista period. But the Iberian Chroniclers are Europeans are they not? so how come you said we can't trust European depictions of the Moors. |
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 13, 2016 2:16:04 GMT -5
 I said you can't trust European depictions of black Moors because the real moors were not black. These are true Moors. |
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 13, 2016 2:17:13 GMT -5
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 13, 2016 2:19:28 GMT -5
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Post by thamm1 on Feb 13, 2016 2:20:27 GMT -5
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