Who were the Moors

[thamm1]

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[anansi]

Could you pls make better use of space by not using one post per pic you can do this
You do know that many of those works are not meant to be representative of Moors but central Asian chess players don't you.

The point is not to picture spam, for rest assured I have more than enough pics to do just that, if you want to find out who the historical Moors are and how they combined with other people well before the Islamic there are enough literature to do that for what you are doing is cheery picking.

[anansi]

Feb 13, 2016 2:21:28 GMT -5 thamm1 said:

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This pic for instance you have Moors,west Asians and Christians on the same side battling against a Christian force on the other you have to know what you are posting and cherry picking as well as the story behind it.

[thamm1]

Actually you have been mislead. Talking to professors and Arabs the word moor was never meant for black people. It was only meant for white or Arabic people. They are the true Moors. If you are on Facebook there's a group called Archaeology & Prehistoric & Ancient Wonders. They go in depth on this subject. The pictures I posted are true Moors not asians. They were the ruling class.

[thamm1]

These pictures are representative of the Moors of Spain and of North Africa by iberians who actually lived alongside and were in contact with them during the middle ages and the reconquista.
Not like the pictures of late orientalist romanticist paintings of the late 18 and 19 century you are used to post.
These are the Real depictions of the Moors as represented by people from their own era.

[thamm1]

Point is there was never any black people in North Africa.

[anansi]

Feb 13, 2016 9:56:36 GMT -5 thamm1 said:

These pictures are representative of the Moors of Spain and of North Africa by iberians who actually lived alongside and were in contact with them during the middle ages and the reconquista.
Not like the pictures of late orientalist romanticist paintings of the late 18 and 19 century you are used to post.
These are the Real depictions of the Moors as represented by people from their own era.

Rubbish you have no idea of the historical context of those pics you spam with lol ,do you know what a Muzarab is?? and dismissing 18th paintings of Moors because you don't like the idea of continuity like the Black simply up and disappeared those tribes that conquered Iberia are still in North Africa like it or not.

The is work from King Alfonso X as I have said before it showed a battle of Moors Arabs and Christians in civil wars and switching alliances,

Pedro de la Cuadra, Mercedarians redeeming prisoners, panel from a dismembered altarpiece. Circa 1599, 165 by 116 cm
In a 16th-century wooden altarpiece highlighting a Spanish religious order dedicated to rescuing captives, good and evil are reflected in skin tones.

Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/2101/redemption-black-slave-keeper#ixzz407PrtqtD
And talk about Blks as slaves in North Africa, while they did in fact exist part of the reason for Eurasian genetic stuff is from enslaved whites.

[anansi]

CAPTIVES OF ARAGONIn Majorca during the reign of the Almohad Masmuda Berbers a "Moor" falls victim to soldiers of the King of Aragon on the last day of the Christian year 1229. As stated by Amar Baadj, "Majorca would remain under Almohad control until its conquest by James I of Aragon, when it passed out of Muslim hands forever." (See Saladin the Almohads and the Banu Ghaniya p. 161).

Another historian says about the Zanata in Africa correctly noted that at one time the “Zanata (or Zanatians) inhabited Cyrenaica and Tripolitania, extending southward as far as Djabal Nafusa and the oases of Fezzan, the predominant confederations of kabilas being those of the Hawwara, Luwata, Nafusa, and Zaghawa” (Mones, H. 1988, p. 228)
Some 100 kilometers west of Malaga was the settlement of Masmuda and Nafza in Takarunna “a mountainous area around the city of Ronda” originally called “Izna Rand Onda” which later came to be ruled by the Zanata tribe of Iforen (Tuareg Ifren). During the time of the Almoravid and Almohad rule it sprung up as an important Moorish town - “Madinat Randa”. At least two famous poets surnamed al-Rundi came from the town.
In the central part of Spain they stretched north of Toledo and Talavera through the valleys of the River Tajoa towards the south over the Guadiana, where Merida, Medellin and other more populated areas in the western parts of the Iberian Peninsula were situated. Maghila were also found in Toledo. : Cordoba was inhabited by Masmuda, Hawwara, Kutama and Maghila. The Kutama whom some sources consider Sanhaja others Masmuda also settled in Shaqunda, Secunda, on the left bank of the River Guadalaquivir, 5 kilometers from Cordoba. The most densely populated area being El Valle de los Pedroches and the Santaver. As well “Kutuma was the most representative of the Berber tribes in the district of Elvira” (Taha, p.170). West of Cordoba were settled some Luwata in a place called iqlim Luwata. Some Sanhaja also dwelt in Ecija.

In the 11th century “The most powerful Berber state, however, was that of the Banu Ziri of the Sinhaja in Granada” Zawi bin Ziri and his Sanhaja followers settled in Elvira and founded the city of Grenada. According to Ibn Khaldun he belonged to the Matmata still a name used in Africa for certain Tuareg peoples. The name should not be confused with the people of the present town of Matmata in Libya. They established the Zirid dynasty which fell only with the coming of the Almoravid dynasty, and their army which had entered Almeria also took Seville from the deposed ruler there in the 11th century. Soon afterwards other Andalusian capitals fell into Almoravid hands (Guichard, 1992, p. 685; Makki, 1992, p. 60 and 63).

As mentioned previously the ancestors of the Tuareg that entered the Iberian peninsula as members of the Sanhaja included the Tuareg called Inusufen or “Massufa”, the Auelemidden or “Lamtuna” and “Lamta”, Imakitan or “Kitama” (or Kutama), and the Igdalen or “Goddala”. The Igdalen are a subgroup of the Tuareg in Niger and Mali. These groups of Tuareg depending on the region can be considered the major portion of the Sanhaja. Sanhaja lived in the provinces of Castellon, Alicante and Murcia (Taha, p. 174), and in this Castellon region are towns named for them including Ceneja, Soneja, and Senija in Alicante.

One guidebook of Oriental studies discussing the government and administration of the Middle East in the Islamic period says the following:
“...under the Almoravids there were cadis in Seville, Granada, Almeria, Malaga, Jaen, Algeciras, Niebla, Carmona, Ronda, Ecija, Preigo, Ubeda, Baeza, Baza, Guadix, and Almunecar in the south of Andalus; Saragossa, Lerida, Tortosa, Denia, Majorca, Valencia, Murcia, Al Puente, Santa Maria de Levante ( Albarracin), Valencia, Jativa, Murviedro, Chiprana, Onda, Alcira, Orihuela, Berja and Almeria in the Levant (Sarq); and Silves and Santa Maria de Algarve, Beja and some other places in the west of al-Andalus. All these cities were the capital of a judicial area..." (Vila, Jacinto B., 1988, p.128).
According to Hugh Kennedy's Muslim Spain and Portugal:: A Political History of Al-Andalus the Almoravid Tuareg men were well-known for their face veils even in Iberia.
“They were remarkable too for their veils which they wore like the Touareg of today, so that only their eyes were visible. It was said that they thought it indecent to expose the mouth and that none of them would recognise a comrade if they saw them unveiled. The veils, so practical in the dusty desert conditions, were very noticeable in the streets of Andalusi towns, and the Almoravids were frequently singled out and described as al-mulathimun, the veiled ones (from Arabic litham, a veil). (Kennedy, Hugh, 2014 p. 155).
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[anansi]

Now Pls compare the original to the much later copies sometimes whitened out by moderns.
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As it now displayed this is official flag of Aragon .


Depicting the four Moorish kings killed in battle.
.Thanx for playing.

[anansi]

Omar Agoulant "Sultan of Sicily" and ruler of all North Africa, defends his castle from the Europeans. From the Grandes Chroniques de France 13th -14th centuries

Agoulant, "Sultan of Sicily" and his Moors attack a Castle in the "Grandes Chroniques de France" Most of its illustrations were thought to have been made for King Charles the 5th of the 14th century.

The Saracen Arabians in Antioch (12th century) are besieged by crusaders in this medieval depiction. In Sicily an army of “Saracens” had arrived directly from the Iberian peninsula in the year 831 capturing various locations including Palermo. By the 860s they were ravaging other towns in southern Italy. The 9th century Celtic monk Sedulius Scotus penned a letter to an early southern Italian ruler speaking of how in their battle against the "black" faced Saracens that “in their black mouths”, their tongues were "stuck" in their throats out of fear. Clearly the black–skinned Saracens of this period were a historical people, and not looking very much like southern Italy.
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Feb 13, 2016 11:13:09 GMT -5 thamm1 said:

Point is there was never any black people in North Africa.

After this comment I know for a fact you're no longer to be taken serious with this nonsense of a statement. 

[thamm1]

I have provided proof. Black people are not indigenous to North Africa that's why the Moors weren't black. They came as slaves later.