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Post by sttigray on Apr 2, 2010 17:25:54 GMT -5
You provide an eyewitness acct. of a regiment of soldiers. How does that constitute the entirety of the moorish people? Were there whole military units comprised mainly of Negroes? Did the Iranian eyewitness describe an exclusive Negro military unit, he encountered? Did you bother asking yourself any of these question during your research? I did not even bother addressing the second quote because that is just too obvious. There was no need to answer for the answer is obvious. Im sorry to inform you that these individuals were either among the army present, or in the unenviable position of unfortunately facing it. The said witnesses are either Ambassadors, Professional historians or in the case of Alfonso X the the opposing king. I find it humorous that you have seen fit to nit pick such an obvious matter. That begs my curiosity. But may I ask( and please don't be offended) but do you have anything to contribute to my query? |
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Post by sttigray on Apr 2, 2010 17:29:04 GMT -5
You provide an eyewitness acct. of a regiment of soldiers. How does that constitute the entirety of the moorish people? Were there whole military units comprised mainly of Negroes? Did the Iranian eyewitness describe an exclusive Negro military unit, he encountered? Did you bother asking yourself any of these question during your research? I did not even bother addressing the second quote because that is just too obvious. Also mind that the Iranian ruler is speaking of the military contingent of a whole dynasty, not a squad, regiment, battalion, or even one Army, but a whole dynasty. A most obvious point that you have unwittingly missed. |
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Post by sttigray on Apr 2, 2010 17:31:43 GMT -5
While I love a good debate, I don't appreciate back tracking over the obvious, because someone refuses to take the time to read a simple passage. Just a pet peeve of mine.
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Post by anansi on Apr 3, 2010 2:33:40 GMT -5
Well you know me and visuals..shoulda got in the movie buisness..anyway this thread would not be complete without this.. ;D
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Post by truth on Apr 3, 2010 13:09:38 GMT -5
Sir, you provide ONE quote, "Black African." Yet you expect me to take your word or accept a some commentary by an unknown person claiming he described the entire military? That is not in the quote you provided. Provide the ENTIRE quote of Nasr. Okay? Also mind that the Iranian ruler is speaking of the military contingent of a whole dynasty, not a squad, regiment, battalion, or even one Army, but a whole dynasty. A most obvious point that you have unwittingly missed. |
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Post by sttigray on Apr 3, 2010 14:14:14 GMT -5
Sir, you provide ONE quote, "Black African." Yet you expect me to take your word or accept a some commentary by an unknown person claiming he described the entire military? That is not in the quote you provided. Provide the ENTIRE quote of Nasr. Okay? Also mind that the Iranian ruler is speaking of the military contingent of a whole dynasty, not a squad, regiment, battalion, or even one Army, but a whole dynasty. A most obvious point that you have unwittingly missed. Sir I provided not only the page numbers but the the work as well, That is called a "quote with works cited", that is done in case anyone questions my statements, if you are curious to the nature of my quotes then I have given you a path to follow.....Follow it if your curiosity allows. Also there are about 3 to 4 other quotes which you have neglected to address, those works are cited for your convenience as well. I have a nagging feeling that your issue is not academic, but social. In that case, you have my sympathy. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and think that your troubles are academic, in that case the works cited provides a very clear window to the sources. You also need to realize that I deal in actual academics, I am not one to solely trust dubious online resources. In that case your local library is available to the public. |
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Post by sttigray on Apr 3, 2010 14:17:28 GMT -5
Sir, you provide ONE quote, "Black African." Yet you expect me to take your word or accept a some commentary by an unknown person claiming he described the entire military? That is not in the quote you provided. Provide the ENTIRE quote of Nasr. Okay? Also mind that the Iranian ruler is speaking of the military contingent of a whole dynasty, not a squad, regiment, battalion, or even one Army, but a whole dynasty. A most obvious point that you have unwittingly missed. Anansi has provided some very good visual resources for you, that may be your best option, if my literary approach proves for you to be too much of a foreign approach. Let me know if you need further assistance. |
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Post by truth on Apr 3, 2010 14:31:48 GMT -5
Don't get me started on proper APA citation. Listen dude, you provided the following quote: "Black African." That is all. Any citation provided only confirms the quote. The paraphrase or summary about the entire military being black is faith-based, which is to say, I, the reader, have faith that you ain't jerking my knee. But you know what, I think you are. As a matter of fact! I don't think the summary is yours. I think you merely lifted it from a second source without checking its veracity. source: www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-appearance-of-the-original-berbers-according-to-european-perceptions-by-dana-marniche/ (unless of course, you are the author of the website). I find your reply to be very troubling and problematic. You lift a second source quote without attribution. Additionally, you do not provide the entire quote, but expect me to go to the source and check for myself. If you have the book, why not provide the quote in its entirety? Oh wait! You don't have the book. You are recycling secondary (and possibly tertiary) quotes without attribution (LOL)! I hope you are trying to be funny. Sir, you provide ONE quote, "Black African." Yet you expect me to take your word or accept a some commentary by an unknown person claiming he described the entire military? That is not in the quote you provided. Provide the ENTIRE quote of Nasr. Okay? Sir I provided not only the page numbers but the the work as well, That is called a "quote with works cited", that is done in case anyone questions my statements, if you are curious to the nature of my quotes then I have given you a path to follow.....Follow it if your curiosity allows. Also there are about 3 to 4 other quotes which you have neglected to address, those works are cited for your convenience as well. I have a nagging feeling that your issue is not academic, but social. In that case, you have my sympathy. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and think that your troubles are academic, in that case the works cited provides a very clear window to the sources. You also need to realize that I deal in actual academics, I am not one to solely trust dubious online resources. In that case your local library is available to the public. |
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Post by truth on Apr 3, 2010 14:35:20 GMT -5
Anansi provides a snippet from a movie and this to you is scholarship? (LOL) Sir, you provide ONE quote, "Black African." Yet you expect me to take your word or accept a some commentary by an unknown person claiming he described the entire military? That is not in the quote you provided. Provide the ENTIRE quote of Nasr. Okay? Anansi has provided some very good visual resources for you, that may be your best option, if my literary approach proves for you to be too much of a foreign approach. Let me know if you need further assistance. |
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Post by truth on Apr 3, 2010 14:41:17 GMT -5
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Post by truth on Apr 3, 2010 14:42:09 GMT -5
Now how many Black moors can you find in the Alphonso book of games? Perhaps, 1 or 2 (LOL)
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Post by truth on Apr 3, 2010 15:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by sttigray on Apr 3, 2010 19:39:25 GMT -5
A source is one where it is easily acquired, if you like to refute the source with pictures that tells me a couple of things.
1. you have no actual info with the exception of pictures or Muslims or Arabs or even latter Moors. Which in that case I could easily refute by posting pictures myself.
2. Any thing that is from a work can be found in many places. If I posted from the Bible, Im sure you would find that in any number of place, but lets say that I acquired the info from a secondary source, does that negate the existence? I think not. You have the work cited, if you want to see the whole book you have a pathway to do it,
3. I am paid to instruct students that are assigned to my curriculum, if you would like me to treat you as such then see the registrar, Im sure they would be most eager to assist you. In any case This is not a class I teach, but Im sure any other professor would be eager to accept your tutelage.
4. I suspect that you have very little in the way fo a credible refute to actual information, so I would suggest you do a bit of reading. I think it would be most helpful. The way the game works is like this. You post your position, and then I post a credible response, then you post a credible response. Please uphold your end of the bargain, up to this point you have not posted anything credible.
Im waiting...............
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Post by sttigray on Apr 3, 2010 19:45:10 GMT -5
Now how many Black moors can you find in the Alphonso book of games? Perhaps, 1 or 2 (LOL) I have many pictures as well, besides these even oil paintings of Moors around the turn of the century, I have pictures of Black Romans, Black Chinese, Black Indians(In all these cases it doesnt prove a thing for were the Romans, Chinese, or Indians, Black, I think not. wood carvings and statues are a very poor form of scholarship, usually used by those who lack the info to properly discuss a topic). While they are a good support mechanism it gives less than a whole picture. I could even show you a Black Jesus, and Madonna to boot if you like. Attachments:
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Post by sttigray on Apr 3, 2010 19:47:38 GMT -5
Now how many Black moors can you find in the Alphonso book of games? Perhaps, 1 or 2 (LOL) Pretty pictures dont mean a hill of beans, but post as many as you like, I feel that you have no other credible evidence. And pictures are your straw man, but believe me when I say I have oodles of sources from the medieval woodcuts which you favor to the Roman and southern European pictures which I doubt you have even thought of, unless you speak French. Attachments:
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