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Post by truth on Apr 4, 2010 8:27:39 GMT -5
And the flood just continues... Attachments:
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Post by truth on Apr 4, 2010 8:29:16 GMT -5
And it goes on and on and on till the break of dawn (LOL)! Attachments:
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Post by truth on Apr 4, 2010 8:33:17 GMT -5
Racial preference or taste of the moors: white meat The white female slave is nude while the Negro female slave is covered. White slaves were worth more because their beauty was preferred over their black counterpart, hence being unclad on the auction blocs. Attachments:
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Post by truth on Apr 4, 2010 8:45:13 GMT -5
Jugurtha, king of Numidia (ancient Berber kingdom)  |
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Post by truth on Apr 4, 2010 8:47:28 GMT -5
Real descendant of the Moors  |
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Post by anansi on Apr 4, 2010 9:15:18 GMT -5
You post up 19th century moors LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, I am finished w/you. You are now just playing w/me  Here is a much earlier example of moors (13th century): Moors buying Negro slaves Look again genius there are tons of "Moors"pics from ancient times medieval renascence right down through modern times.. Slave market in Baghdad.. Moors are west and north west Africans you try to lump all Muslims and anyone wearing a turban and collectively called them Moors "Moors" are Africans ...and you go ahead and not show the pics you get edited from Mathilda..you are afraid of other pics of Moors of different eras because it most certainly does nothing for your case poor you.  Pre-Roman times Roman times Islamic Era Post Islamic Era ModernPut all this together plus ancient,medieval and modern description of them and you get case closed The Song of Roland
Their martyrdom, his men's, Marsile has seen,
So he bids sound his horns and his buccines;
1630 Then canters forth with all his great army.
Canters before a Sarrazin, Abisme,
More felon none was in that company;
Cankered with guile and every felony,
He fears not God, the Son of Saint Mary;
1635 Black is that man as molten pitch that seethes;
Better he loves murder and treachery
Than to have all the gold of Galicie;
Never has man beheld him sport for glee;
Yet vassalage he's shown, and great folly,
1640 So is he dear to th' felon king Marsile;
Dragon he bears, to which his tribe rally.
That Archbishop could never love him, he;
Seeing him there, to strike he's very keen,
Within himself he says all quietly:
1645 "This Sarrazin great heretick meseems,
Rather I'ld die, than not slay him clean,
Neer did I love coward nor cowardice."
Orkneyinga saga
Moors vs Vikings
Once both parties were on board there was fierce fighting,the people on the Dromond being Saracens,whom we called infdels of Mohammed, among them a good many black men,who put up a strong resistance.
Earling,honored aimer of spears,eagerly advanced toward the vassel in victory,with banners of blood;the black worriors,brave lads we captured or killed,crimsoning our blades,busey with this Dromond business our blades we bloodied on the blacks.
“Grieve not at this, poor wretch, and with thine own hand give thy wife the potion whatever is be for did she choose to bear her leaping children in her womb thou wouldst, perchance, become the sire of an Ethiop, a blackamoor would soon be your sole heir.”
- Juvenal, Satire VI, lines 596 – 600
“One of them, with wooly hair, like a Moor, seems to be the son of Santra, the cook. The second, with a flat nose and thick lips, is the image of Pannicus, the wrestler . . . of the two daughters, one is black . . . and belongs to Crotus, the flute player.”
- Martial, VI, 39.
“When tired of each noblest matron, (Gildo) hands her over to the Moors. These Sidonian mothers, married in Carthage City, must needs be mate with barbarians. He thrusts upon me an Ethiopian son-in-law. This hideous hybrid affects the cradle.”
Claudian. And with that I exist this thread...thank you.. sttigray he is all yours.. have Heh heh.. "MOOR"..of him... |
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Post by truth on Apr 4, 2010 9:21:50 GMT -5
^Pre Roman times?! (LOL) Uh, what happened to Al Andulas? (LOL)
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Post by sttigray on Apr 4, 2010 10:55:47 GMT -5
^Pre Roman times?! (LOL) Uh, what happened to Al Andulas? (LOL) ^^ carving of a Moorish noble woman from the Iberian peninsula. Play close attention to the date. Iberian Peninsula. "Tarik, a great African chief, was given the rank of general in the Arab army and sent to raid Spain. On April 30, 711, Tarik landed on the Spanish Coast with 7,000 troops. His troops consisted of 300 Arabs and 6,700 native Africans (Moors)". Ibn Husayn (ca. 950, recorded that these troops were "Sudanese", an Arabic word for Black people. Other than some pictures of Muslims or Arabs, do you have any proof, whatsoever I have yet to see anything even coming close to refuting, but if its any consolation, we are finding your effort or (lack thereof) quite amusing. Attachments:
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Post by truth on Apr 4, 2010 11:01:19 GMT -5
What is even more comical is the very images I provided are used at nearly all institutions as historical examples of the moors of andulas. You are the fringe; your belief falls outside the norm; you are an outlyer.
GAME OVER.
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Post by sttigray on Apr 4, 2010 11:09:16 GMT -5
That is all you got? I mean I didn't expect much, and I have yet to see a credible response . An inevitable disappointment......but so soon? Tsk Tsk now pick up your sword and lets play just a little more. Attachments:
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Post by truth on Apr 4, 2010 11:18:55 GMT -5
I'm finished. I posted nearly 3x as much moorish art than you and the other combined. It speaks for itself. I am not getting into a pointless back and forth. IT IS OVER.
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Post by sttigray on Apr 4, 2010 13:42:37 GMT -5
I'm finished. I posted nearly 3x as much moorish art than you and the other combined. It speaks for itself. I am not getting into a pointless back and forth. IT IS OVER. It was over for you on about page 2, but hey we cant win them all. while your scholarship was the equivalent of academic junk food, I it was fun... cya later. well meet again Attachments:
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Post by sundiata on Apr 5, 2010 3:59:43 GMT -5
Anansi, where is this from?? Something is weird here. This resembles so much the Catalan Map of 1375 which shows a camel rider approaching an African emperor (in this case, Mansa Musa) seated with a scepter in one hand and a giant gold nugget in the other. What is obviously inaccurate in both is that an African muslim ruler for some reason wears a European crown. But what's striking is the contrast between the camel rider. They look like identical scenes, yet one rider is jet-black while the other milk-white.  ^What can account for this? I wonder if these are different repros of the same work or different works of the same era created out of the same artistic tradition. |
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Post by anansi on Apr 5, 2010 4:18:58 GMT -5
Anansi, where is this from?? Something is weird here. This resembles so much the Catalan Map of 1375 which shows a camel rider approaching an African emperor (in this case, Mansa Musa) seated with a scepter in one hand and a giant gold nugget in the other. What is obviously inaccurate in both is that an African muslim ruler for some reason wears a European crown. But what's striking is the contrast between the camel rider. They look like identical scenes, yet one rider is jet-black while the other milk-white. ^What can account for this? I wonder if these are different repros of the same work or different works of the same era created out of the same artistic tradition. That was a gift from Altakruri The top map is a copy of Abraham Cresque the Jew of Palma's Mappamundi originally made in 1375 and the bottom map is a copy/version of the Mappamundi delivered by request to a French king decades later. The text near the potentate roughly reads: quote:This Black lord is called Musa Mali, Lord of the Blacks of Guinea. So abundant is the gold which is found in his country that he is the richest and most noble king in all the land. This map, a Jewish product, was a fresh breath of air in comparison with earlier maps breaking away from conventions that populated Africa with beasts of myth and nature placing "elephants where should be towns." Without Aragonese tolerance of Jews we'd not have the Mappamundi and its testament image of a "black as a pot" mulithamun of Saharan Kel taGelmust. www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=004909;p=3#000135 |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Apr 8, 2010 12:01:04 GMT -5
Above is the map by Abraham Cresques the Jew dated 1375. Below is a map based on it by Mecia de Viladestes dated 1413.  Earlier I made the mistake of saying the 2nd map was a copy of Cresques 1375 gifted to a French king. Fact is, the map gifted to young Charles VI was lost. Charles V had a copy of Cresques 1375 and had the de Viladestes 1413 map too, because it was more up to date. These maps show that Saharans were of both light and black skinned complexions, not either of one or the other colour as per the view of Eurocentrics and Afrocentrics. |
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