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Post by mike111 on Feb 13, 2018 11:07:01 GMT -5
Muslim world - From Wikipedia.Islamic states - Islamic states have adopted Islam as the ideological foundation of state and constitution. Afghanistan| Iran | Mauritania | Oman | Saudi Arabia | Yemen State religion - The following Muslim-majority nation-states have endorsed Islam as their state religion.
Algeria | Bahrain | Brunei | Comoros | Djibouti | Egypt | Iraq | Jordan | Kuwait | Libya | Maldives | Malaysia | Morocco | Pakistan | Qatar | Sahrawi Republic | Somalia | Tunisia | United Arab Emirates. Unclear / No Declaration - These are neutral states where the constitutional or official announcement regarding status of religion is not clear or unstated.
Bangladesh | Indonesia | Lebanon | Syria Secular states - Secular states in Muslim world have declared separation between civil/government affairs and religion.
Albania | Azerbaijan | Bosnia-Herzegovina | Burkina Faso | Chad | The Gambia | Guinea | Guinea-Bissau | Kazakhstan | Kosovo | Kyrgyzstan | Mali | Niger | Nigeria | Northern Cyprus | Senegal | Sierra Leone | Tajikistan | Turkey | Turkmenistan | Uzbekistan | State of Palestine | Palestine. Top 15 Global Hot Spots for Political Risk - By Laura Mazzuca Toops.1. Afghanistan | 2. Belarus | 3. Democratic Republic of Congo | 4. Guinea Bissau | 5. Haiti | 6. Iran | 7. Iraq | 8. North Korea |9. Pakistan | 10. Somalia | 11. South Sudan | 12. Sudan | 13. Venezuela |14. Yemen |15. Zimbabwe
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Post by kel on Feb 13, 2018 15:48:31 GMT -5
"There is recent research surfacing that the Roman empire and the Vatican church actually played a role in the formation of Islam, and actually aided it in it's creation but this information has been covered up for the establishment of narratives. "
MOM says this and in the "official" history of Islam - if read carefully suggests something close. A number of things dont add up.
1. Muhammed was illiterate 2. His followers were illiterate 3. the Quran was written down after after he died based on people's memories of his revelations......... - this is totally suspect.
4. According to Wiki: "The Quran speaks well of the relationship it has with former books (the Torah and the Gospels) and attributes their similarities to their unique origin and saying all of them have been revealed by the one God.
The Quran's language was similar to the Syriac language.The Quran recounts stories of many of the people and events recounted in Jewish and Christian sacred books (Tanakh, Bible) and devotional literature (Apocrypha, Midrash), although it differs in many details. Adam, Enoch, Noah, Eber, Shelah, Abraham, Lot, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Jethro, David, Solomon, Elijah, Elisha, Jonah, Aaron, Moses, Zechariah, John the Baptist and Jesus are mentioned in the Quran as prophets of God (see Prophets of Islam). In fact, Moses is mentioned more in the Quran than any other individual. Jesus is mentioned more often in the Quran than Muhammad, while Mary is mentioned in the Quran more than the New Testament."
This suggests that the Quran was created by literate people who had extensive knowledge of both the Torah and Bible:....... (moses, jesus, mary , mentioned more than Muhammed is shocking enough).
Furthemore the Quranic language is SYRIAC.
"Syriac, also known as Syriac Aramaic or Classical Syriac is a dialect of Middle Aramaic that is the minority language of indigenous ethnic Assyrians/Syriacs in south eastern Turkey, northern Iraq, northeastern Syria and North western Iran. It is also the liturgical language of several churches, in particular the Assyrian Church of the East, Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church and Maronite Church."
"Along with Latin and Greek, Syriac became one of "the three most important Christian languages in the early centuries" of the Common Era. From the 1st century AD, Syriac became the vehicle of Syriac Christianity and culture, and the liturgical language of the Syriac Orthodox Church and subsequently the Assyrian Church of the East, along with its descendants: Chaldean Catholic Church, the Ancient Church of the East, the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, and the Assyrian Pentecostal Church.
Syriac Christianity and language spread throughout Asia as far as the Indian Malabar Coast and Eastern China, and was the medium of communication and cultural dissemination for the later Arabs and, to a lesser extent, the Parthian Empire and Sasanian Empire. Primarily a Christian medium of expression, Syriac had a fundamental cultural and literary influence on the development of Arabic,[14] which largely replaced it towards the 14th century.[3] Syriac remains the sacred language of Syriac Christianity to this day.
Syriac is a Middle Aramaic language and, as such, a language of the Northwest Semitic languages of the Afroasiatic family. It is written in the Syriac alphabet, a derivation of the Aramaic alphabet."
So, It appears that the Quran was the creation of the Syriac cultural sphere - literate Jews or Christians - created sometime after the life of any Muhammed.
Furthemore, (according to Wiki): "The central theme of the Quran is monotheism. God is depicted as living, eternal, omniscient and omnipotent (see, e.g., Quran 2:20, 2:29, 2:255). God's omnipotence appears above all in his power to create. He is the creator of everything, of the heavens and the earth and what is between them (see, e.g., Quran 13:16, 50:38, etc.). All human beings are equal in their utter dependence upon God,[better source needed] and their well-being depends upon their acknowledging that fact and living accordingly
It appears that perhaps Islam was created and used for the the same purposes that Catholicism was used in Europe. - to civilize the many polytheist/pagan barbarian tribes in the "Middle East" and to bring them under some kind of political control. or may have been an offshoot: What Christianity was to Judaism: used and embraced for political/economic purposes.
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Post by mike111 on Feb 13, 2018 18:03:43 GMT -5
^Ya, it seems religion is very useful for coalescing disparate groups into a focused entity - generally for war and conquest. I was very surprised years ago, when I discovered the calls for total Genocide in the Protestant Bibles - no doubt to encourage killing of non-whites Do you happen to know if the Islamic books have similar encouragements?
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Post by mindovermatter on Feb 13, 2018 18:49:47 GMT -5
^^^^Duh! Islam is based on war and conquest! Muhammed himself was a road bandit and caravan thief, who later transformed himself into a pedophile and psycophathic warlord who killed men and took their wives as sex slaves. His religion explicitly makes it clear to kill infidels and non-believers and especially destroy pagan cultures. The acts of violence and aggression in the Q'uran and how Islam originally spread (through expansionism and conquest) makes it clear that it's a weaponized barbarian abrahamic religion.
I just found this interesting video, by a racist albino, about how Christianity actually regressed and retarded the original civilizations and cultures of Europe, North Africa and the advanced pagan cultures it came upon:
Now here is a great series of videos that shows just how Islam was modified and created to weaponize and serve certain entities with certain geopolitical goals:
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Post by mindovermatter on Feb 13, 2018 18:57:11 GMT -5
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Post by kel on Feb 14, 2018 0:55:47 GMT -5
1. Did Muhammed even exist or was he a creation of Abdul Malik and his hired Christian and Jewish scholars??
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Post by mellomusings on Feb 15, 2018 10:50:01 GMT -5
mellomusings - the first reply's were specific to Masa's Haj. You made no comment. The rest is natural outgrowth. If you want to control your thread, do so with input. MOM - Re. this quote: Scythians set themselves up as rulers of an empire stretching from west Persia through Syria and Judaea to the borders of Egypt.
I believe the boys at Britannica have confused Scythians with Parthians, I know of no Scythian empire that far west. Check it out. The point of my post was to discuss the events that occurred during his pilgrimage not about Africans bending over backwards to appease non-blacks. It wasn't uncommon then as it is now for people with wealth or prestige to show it, so I don't see the point in what you posted.
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