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Post by gigantic on Aug 6, 2010 19:36:06 GMT -5
. Listen, I'd advise you to take that passage to someone with a degree in hebrew. First off, I said what I said to show you that "wool" is an idiom used by the jews to describe cleaniless; Nothing more, nothing less. It is a metaphor, not literal. I'd advise you to read all passages relevant to wool to see this. Secondly, in Daniels, the hair of the ancient of days is liken to the PURENESS of wool; Neke amar. It is not saying his hair was WOOLY. You find this theme of hair being compared to the purity found in wool, in EVERY single scripture where wool is used in conjunction with hair. Thirdly, you do realize Daniels 7th chp. is written in Aramaec, not hebrew. Right? No, the word used in Daniel is not ssemer. It is `*mar associated with `amar = to heap just as tal = pile up both are perfect descriptors for the direction non-straight hair grows out. |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Aug 6, 2010 19:38:15 GMT -5
You see, you still refuse to recognize `iziym is the word for goat's hair. Verifiable fact, replicable and falsifiable: Hair and goat's hair are different words in biblical Hebrew. Biblical Hebrews never used the word for goat's hair as the word for the hair atop their heads. They used words for hair that grows up, bushy and wool. *Your reply is a strawman* It was told to you that to two have a common primary root which suggests they are interrelated. You invented this idea that someone said the two words are the same. Anyhow, wool is only used as a metaphor to describe the purity of the hair. |
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Post by gigantic on Aug 6, 2010 20:33:03 GMT -5
Balanced scholarship; relief walls depicting lachish being attacked. Notice the long wavy hair of the native people of lachish:   |
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Post by gigantic on Aug 6, 2010 20:38:49 GMT -5
Debunking the lies: King Senaherib and Lachishites depicted with long wavy hair -  |
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Post by egyptianplanet on Aug 6, 2010 20:51:39 GMT -5
The fact we use purity, black and negro in intelligent discussion still befuddles me. I don't want to be mean but some of you truly are lacking in intellect, I'm sorry.
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Post by anansi on Aug 6, 2010 22:07:14 GMT -5
Balanced scholarship; relief walls depicting lachish being attacked. Notice the long wavy hair of the native people of lachish: The remains found at Lakish:The excavacation uncovered a mass of human bones,which was estamated to from the remains of fifteen hundred individuals..remains of 695 skulls were brought to London by the British expidition...curiously,the crania indicate a close resemblance to the population of Egypt at this time...the relationships found suggest that the population of the town in 700 B.C was entirely of Egyptian origin..they show further,that the population of lakish was probably derived from upper Egypt.James e Brunson  You guys understand the significance of the above? followed by this statement by Pliny The Elder-Roman Naturalist.... That Syria was once the domain of Cepheus, an Ethiopian king,Tacitus wrote that the Romans beleived that the Jews originated in Ethiopia but fled the persecutions of the King. Strabo,even earlier,stressed that people of Western Judea was Africiod:  But although the inhibatance are mixed up thus,the most accerdited reports in regards to the people of Jerusalem reperesents the ancestors of the present Judeans as they are called Egyptians.   But then again people have this ideawhen it comes to Jews/Hebrews that people remained static in looks or anyone type of looks a position no one takes when describing Christian or Muslems Historians trace Kaifeng’s Jews to eighth-century merchants and traders who arrived via the Silk Road from Persia and India. Jewish communities later sprang up in Canton, Yangzhou, Hangzhou, and other cities. But Kaifeng’s remained the most significant. Its opulent synagogue, dating back to 1163, was maintained largely by the Zhao clan. Here again Buck has done her research; like other Jewish families, the Zhaos used a Chinese name for public and business dealings. Among themselves, they used a Hebrew name: Ezra. www.tabletmag.com/arts-and-culture/books/881/in-bloom/ Four members of the Ganda tribe of Uganda, a typical central African musical company. Some African instruments evidence the peaceful penetration deep into Africa by Judaic tradesmen and artisans long before the European invasion. The first musician plays a kihembe ngoma, a percussion instrument common to all cultures. The third musician is playing a kissar, a plucked lyre (Hebrew kinnor - King David's instrument). The lyre was introduced into Africa from the Near East [FP 8: Jews and Music]. The bowed lyres, tube fiddles, played by the second and fourth musicians are also of Near Eastern origin. Trumpets made of animal horns are likewise African instruments reminiscent of the Judaic shofar, used in Judaic religious rites. www.hebrewhistory.info/factpapers/fp019-2_africa.htm Every Sepharade community where the Caribbean Sea laps a shore had some members who were of inner African descent. Many were the offspring of enslaved Africans, some came direct from the Iberian peninsula, some few others had their Jewish heritage from West Africa in communities suppressed as long ago as the 12th century by the al-Muribitûn and the al-Muwahhidûn and the 15th century by al-Maghili who instructed the Sudanese royalty across the entire Sahel that "it is a meritorious act to destroy a synagogue." Nonetheless, the Inquisition uncovered lançados smuggling sidduriym clear down to Angola. Suriname is probably the model of history and relations between white and coloured Sepharadiym in the Americas. I use coloured (colourlingen) because this is the term the community chose for themselves.  Tradition says that the first Jews came en masse to Cranganore (an ancient port, near Cochin) after the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE.[4] A chieftain by the name of Joseph Rabban was granted a principality over the Jews of Cochin by the Chera Emperor of Kerala, Bhaskara Ravivarman II.[3] Rabban's descendants maintained this distinct community, which was called Anjuvannam, until a chieftainship dispute broke out between two brothers, one of them named Joseph Azar, in the sixteenth century. The Paradesi Jews, also called "White Jews," settled in the region later, coming to India from European nations such as Holland and Spain, and bringing with them the Ladino language and their Sephardic customs in the eighteenth century. In 379 CE, The Hindu king Sira Primal who was also known as Iru Brahman, issued what was engraved on a tablet of brass, his permission to Jews to live freely , build synagogue, own property without conditions attached and as long as the world and moon exist. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochin_Jews  After the passage of thousands of years and miles no one has any special claims to being Jewish BHI's sound wacky at times but who knows of those individual's personal history. |
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Post by olehint on Aug 7, 2010 12:52:02 GMT -5
iziym   Goat Hair yall |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 8, 2010 1:51:03 GMT -5
I don't know why its so hard for some people to realize that there is such a thing as variability in populations. If we look at the current population of Egypt we will see that hair form ranges from very kinky to very straight. If we look at within the jewish communities we will see the very same thing. Jews are know to have many people with extreemly curly and kinky hair. I see jews every day with hair that is no different in texture form and feel from what you'd typically expect of an African American. Jews themselves have coined a phrase for it, the ISRO, as versus the AFRO. Therefore, showing pictures of wavey haired Hebrews is... well... abit stupid and simple minded. We all know this.
The pictures of kinky haired Hebrews was not shown to suggest that every single hebrew had this type of hair. We all know they didn't. It was shown to illustrate that people of this physical type did in fact make up a segment of the population. The general consensus was that they were not black on a whole, but that there were individuals in the population who would fit a modern American description of a black person. This is a fact that can still be observed if one goes to the Gaza Strip today and the areas around Jerico and has a look around. In fact I had friends in Collage from those towns in Palestine. I also think it interesting that to this day amongst Ahkanazi and sephardic Jews, there is such a strong strain of people with hair just as kinky as anything you will find in Africa.
There has been overlap between north Africa and the Levant fgor thousands of years. Therefore, cherry picking on physical type or trait does not in anyway negate the existance of all the other. Maybe you can make that kind of ignorant, (some would call it down right stupid, but I was taught as a child that racists ARE stupid people.... gee, did I say that? Well? I guess I did. If the dunce cap fits, wear it!), logic work on paper, but in the real world it falls flat.
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Post by gigantic on Aug 8, 2010 7:30:44 GMT -5
Were there ancient Hebrews w/knappy hair? I would imagine so, but it was definitely NOT the norm. The problem is the following: "Were the ancient Hebrews black?" The title sets the tone of the query. and that is the creator of the thread and those who go out of their way to argue for him. HEBREWS WERE ASIATIQUE PEOPLE, NOT AFRIKAN, AND THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
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Post by gigantic on Aug 8, 2010 7:34:28 GMT -5
And why don't you apply that same logic to ancient Egypt and the mediterraenean and the levant? Hypocrisy at its finest. There has been overlap between north Africa and the Levant fgor thousands of years. Therefore, cherry picking on physical type or trait does not in anyway negate the existance of all the other. |
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Post by anansi on Aug 8, 2010 8:10:12 GMT -5
Were there ancient Hebrews w/knappy hair? I would imagine so, but it was definitely NOT the norm. The problem is the following: "Were the ancient Hebrews black?" The title sets the tone of the query. and that is the creator of the thread and those who go out of their way to argue for him. HEBREWS WERE ASIATIQUE PEOPLE, NOT AFRIKAN, AND THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. How do you know that was the exception to the norm? what time frame are you talking about I posted the following in contrast to what you posted above of the same era To be technical they were Afro-Asiatics as they spend considerable time in Africa and in lands controlled by Africans mainly the Levant, and spoke an African derived language,although by tradition they had their start in the Chaldean city of Ur Sumeria. |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 8, 2010 8:33:42 GMT -5
And why don't you apply that same logic to ancient Egypt and the mediterraenean and the levant? Hypocrisy at its finest. There has been overlap between north Africa and the Levant fgor thousands of years. Therefore, cherry picking on physical type or trait does not in anyway negate the existance of all the other. What do you think : "there has been overlap between north Africa and the Levant for thousands of years.", means? |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Aug 8, 2010 11:16:37 GMT -5
Those are all Assyrian attackers. The Judahites are weaponless and bowing behind them in the part of the scene you chopped out but I posted earlier and now repost and expand.    Debunking the lies: King Senaherib and Lachishites depicted with long wavy hair - |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Aug 8, 2010 11:26:04 GMT -5
Totally lacking in scholarship as these are not scenes from Lachish. One who's studied the art in any detail at all knows the background (wallpaper) in Sennacherib's Lachish reliefs is missing from these. See each and every Lachish scene from Sennacherib's palace at a special feature of the BiblePlaces newsletter Lachish reliefs! site www.bibleplaces.com/newsletter/2002july.htmIt's a common error to mistake other Assyrian reliefs for those of Lachish's conquest. I've often seen Elamites taken for Judahites and other errors such as below. But the "wallpaper" is a sure way to know Lachish reliefs and avoid wrong identifications. Balanced scholarship; relief walls depicting lachish being attacked. Notice the long wavy hair of the native people of lachish: |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Aug 8, 2010 11:38:44 GMT -5
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No, the word used in Daniel is not ssemer.
