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Post by africurious on Dec 24, 2018 2:31:08 GMT -5
Some words of caution to the wise... The mention of "3,500 AD" in the above quote given by the OP is type-o by authors of the paper. It's not clear what the authors are referring to cuz I checked what they listed as their source and no where does the source mention any polynesians (rapa nui or otherwise) being descended directly from africans. See the source the authors used here: lens.auckland.ac.nz/images/3/31/Pacific_Migration_Seminar_Paper.pdf There're other mistakes in the paper so seems editing wasnt up to par on the paper. Paper can be found here: digitalcommons.hsc.unt.edu/theses/824/Last point is that polynesians have been tested and the places where the original people of Rapa Nui are said to come form i.e. Tonga, Samoa, Fiji don't have african y-chromosomes. See study here: www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-20026-8So these african y-chromosomes couldn't have come from further in Polynesia. And if one believes the african chromosomes in today's population were there with the founding population then you might as well be consistent and say the european chromosomes were there at founding too. Interesting thing tho is that the paper in the OP didn't find any typical polynesian y-dna in rapa nui but an earlier study from 2006 claimed to have found y-STR markers that were typical of polynesians.
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Post by africurious on Dec 24, 2018 0:29:26 GMT -5
WTH? Jim Crow was good for blacks?!! Hahaha! Oh I guess like how slavery was good for them and taught them manners and how to not be lazy like southern whites said. Jim Crow and segregation aren’t even the same thing. Jim Crow is whole bunch of laws that were passed in the south after reconstruction to remove the black man from any power he had in the south. This included laws to prevent blacks from voting and to lock them up to use them for free labor so that slavery continued under a different name. And blacks were segregated so they could be put in conditions below that of whites. But ya Jim Crow was good for blacks. Guess that’s why so many blacks tried to escape Jim Crow in the south and head north for more than half a century. They didn’t know what was good for them. This Asante dude is sharp. Jim Crow started in 1878 and was supposedly good for blacks yet only around 1950 did the supposed economic boon from Jim Crow help blacks? Unfortunately, on the web some painters of rosy pictures come perversely close to supporting the arguments of white racists that Jim Crow was "good for black people." Rather than argue more precisely, and qualify what they are saying, you get this golden age model that never existed in the real world, and the chilling implication of many golden age notions is that skilled black people should have stayed in little segregated check boxes, forever content with lesser opportunities and chump-change. Where would the great black athletes be for example if they had stayed in the shaky segregated leagues making chicken-feed, even as lesser talented white athletes raked in the dough? Your distinction between Jim Crow and segregation is a good one, but could it not be said that the two were closely related? In the north the Jim Crow was not as open, or written on the law books, ut the bottom line was still the same? This Asante dude is sharp. Jim Crow started in 1878 and was supposedly good for blacks yet only around 1950 did the supposed economic boon from Jim Crow help blacks? Yeah, I wondered about this myself. And I wondered about this economic boom in the1950s under Jim Crow, when in fact the 1950s were a time when segregation was being OVERTURNED on multiple fronts- from bus transportation, to school desegregation, to the GI BIll allowing thousands of black veterans to go to college, to jobs and contracts opened up by lawsuits and pressure applied during WW2, etc etc.. Scratch head.. Yes Jim Crow and segregation are tied together in that segregation is part of Jim Crow. But Jim Crow is a specific and larger thing so we shouldn't lump the 2 together. Good point with the athletes. Some black ppl fail to realize that so many black businesses' growth was stunted or destroyed because of segregation. Any boom in the 1950s was the general post-war boom (which you pointed out) that affected all americans but whites more than any other. It had zero to do with segregation. In fact you can see this in the income jumps from '47-'69 that are in the chart from the link to the SWA website I posted.
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Post by africurious on Dec 24, 2018 0:17:37 GMT -5
I thought everybody knew negroes were getting their heads busted trying to buy an integrated cups of coffee at lunchcounters. Uhn huhn, because the whites wanted their money right.But whites did want black money, once black folk began to build up their cash reserves. They wanted to maintain the social inferiority and white supremacy of Jim Crow, but they had no problem taking black money. How do you think black people got land in the south? Even the most racist whites saw that they could make some dough by selling ff a portion of their lands that were just sitting, unused and unproductive. How do you think Harlem became black? By singing "Old Black Joe" for de white folks? NO. It became black because white people wanted to make money, and they got premium dolla from blacks who needed housing. Why do you think that many stores STILL took black money even as they refused to let blacks sit next to de white folk at their lunch counters? THey sure as hell did not turn down the black dollars from the black shoppers who spent on clothing, groceries, appliances and sundries. And this is precisely the point stressed by the Civil Rights Movement activists. We buy at your stores, and as a result we deserve decent equal treatment. We ain't asking for anything extra. All this is pretty basic history 101 anyone should understand. White people never had a problem taking black money, on their own terms. Yup. Whites still made lots of money from blacks during segregation. They still owned businesses and property in black neighborhoods and businesses that supplied black businesses during segregation. Segregation was just the means to keep blacks in substandard conditions and remind whites they were superior.
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Post by africurious on Dec 24, 2018 0:12:00 GMT -5
Let's look at some data and see the great conditions that existed among blacks before integration. Based on the data, blacks have been trending up socio-economically since at least the 60s. See below, source: www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/06/27/1-demographic-trends-and-economic-well-being/st_2016-06-27_race-inequality-ch1-01/ In '67 black incomes were 55% that of whites. By 2014 it was 61% that of whites. Meaning over 50yrs of ongoing integration black incomes rose quicker than those of whites and besides is much higher than it was previous to segregation. For data that goes back to '47, see this link: stateofworkingamerica.org/chart/swa-income-table-2-5-median-family-income/. Couldn't figure out how to embed the chart. But between 1947-2010 black incomes almost tripled!!! I guess there goes that myth of 1950 being so great. Look at the growth in blacks with college degrees. Yup, they were better off during jim crow and segragation. Notice the drop in rates of black poverty over several recent decades As is evident from the chart, non-marital births have risen the last several decades among virtually all ethno-racial groups in the US so it's not a "black" problem. And it's risen by an even higher degree among whites. But some ppl like to use racist spins of data when it suits their arguments but then claim everyone else is the dupe of the whiteman, smh. Notice there's a similar trend of increase for all ethno-racial groups when it comes to single parent households.
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Post by africurious on Dec 23, 2018 23:06:08 GMT -5
WTH? Jim Crow was good for blacks?!! Hahaha! Oh I guess like how slavery was good for them and taught them manners and how to not be lazy like southern whites said.
Jim Crow and segregation aren’t even the same thing. Jim Crow is whole bunch of laws that were passed in the south after reconstruction to remove the black man from any power he had in the south. This included laws to prevent blacks from voting and to lock them up to use them for free labor so that slavery continued under a different name. And blacks were segregated so they could be put in conditions below that of whites. But ya Jim Crow was good for blacks. Guess that’s why so many blacks tried to escape Jim Crow in the south and head north for more than half a century. They didn’t know what was good for them.
This Asante dude is sharp. Jim Crow started in 1878 and was supposedly good for blacks yet only around 1950 did the supposed economic boon from Jim Crow help blacks?
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Post by africurious on Dec 17, 2018 20:38:03 GMT -5
No hold on liar... YOU were the FIRST to imply that someone (I) was living in poverty. You took a shot at me, and stereotyped Afro-Americans. Yes I hit you back! If you can't take it then don't dish it. I didn’t stereotype you. You were boasting about how you and your community got it poppin all paid for by a drug dealer and supposedly whites were jealous of this. Yet you had to go to their neighborhood just to get to a good gym. Idk anyone of decent financial means who’d boast in that way. So maybe check your ignant speech.
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Post by africurious on Dec 17, 2018 20:23:04 GMT -5
Please Africurious Let's not be carried away by stone throwing Jason's madness. It's not Maafa Descendants fault they remain 3rd class USA citizens. And even at that by many many standards they outstrip blacks who have their own countries. Hail to the USA blacks! They have struggled continuously since arriving on America's shores and the whole MFin' world is in their debt and not just for music and coolness. Let Asante, who's not Ashanti, go on spreading hatred of one Afrikan for another. Let's us turn to something more positive now. The OP was promising. Too bad the thread degenerated into promoting self-hate and division among Afrikan peoples. I agree we don’t need to tear down one set of blacks to uplift the other. I was trying to show that ignoramus that the nativism and citizenship he flaunts is hollow. I know it’s no black person in America’s fault we’re in the shituation we’re in.
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Post by africurious on Dec 17, 2018 18:03:41 GMT -5
Well I’m glad that someone else sees this fake loud mouth Asante for what he is. Why even use “Asante” when you’ve just said all kinds of despicable ish about Ghanaians? Fake know-nothing.
You don’t own any threads here fool so I don’t know what you’re talking about. And why you on a forum so heavily backed by immigrant blacks whom you claim are agents of the whiteman? Then you go on to say Africans are some of your best friends, smh. White ppl say that all the time after saying/doing prejudice stuff just like you do.
Funny thing is you keep flaunting how you’re native to the US and how black immigrants are coming here from poverty. Fool, being born here doesn’t stop you from being a 2nd class citizen lower than all white ppl including those who got here fresh off the boat. So what is there to show off about? 400 yrs and yo ass still ain’t equal to even white immigrants and some immigrant Asians who just got to the US today. Silly ignorant nativist.
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Post by africurious on Dec 16, 2018 19:55:40 GMT -5
Don't put words in my mouth. I f*cking brag about the scholastic and intellectual achievements of African immigrants particularly in the UK. Address what tf I was actually getting at, which is a point that you ironically conceded to. You Africans are coming over here with a silly silly attitude towards the blacks who built the country and were systematically held back. If you can't acknowledge that fact then FORGET YOU AND YOUR KIND (coon haters and traitors). Look at the ignorance of many Africans towards the whites. Ok, cool. You call ppl a bunch of names and have nothing else to offer. Yup, I like how you explain away how an AA sold out an immgrant black leading what was until then the largest black movement in the country. I know let's not let facts get in the way of things. All hail AAs, the realest blacks ever!!! I see what kind of person you are. Let's look at this lil gem you wrote: So you're praising a drug dealer for sponsoring celebrations in your community and all you got to say is how poppin the parties were on your black side of town. What your ignorant self doesn't realize is that you only got an all black neighborhood cuz the whiteman wanted to keep our asses in separate poverty stricken area. You talk about how the good gyms are "obviously in the white parts of town" and don't realize why that is. It doesn't matter right? Cuz you were all supposedly so filled with black pride and got it "poppin". You complain about blacks moving to suburbs and don't even understand why that is. Maybe they're trying to make a better life for themselves and get away from ppl like you. Yo ass is stuck in a poor area and lack much knowledge of the outside world aside from ish you see on tv or internet. I know ppl like you. Ignorant and loving that ish. And y'all tend to be bitter too. Talk a lot of crap about black this and that without any practical plans. Well stay bitter and get it poppin at parties sponsored by drug dealers. Other blacks got better things to do and the world will move fwd while you and your descendants enjoy measely incomes, violent and rundown neighborhoods.
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Post by africurious on Dec 16, 2018 19:28:09 GMT -5
You sound like you need to get out and explore the world more. Ok sure! Well then give me some suggestions on where I should go. What groups of people do YOU think that I should be around. I suggest you take ppl on an individual basis. Be open to friendships/acquaintances from any group so long as you feel they treat you like they would their own group. In some some cases a non-black person who is your friend may say/do some ish that is racist or borderline so. If you check them and they’re open to dialog then you may show them the light. If they’re too defensive or beyond reach then let them go kick rocks. Did you know that the iconic black gloves worn by Tommie Smith and John Carlos in their protest at the 1968 olympics was given to them by their white friend who came third in the race, Peter Norman? And Peter is from racist as hell Australia. They told Peter that they wanted to protest and why and he felt their plight and wanted to help. He gave them each 1 hand of his glove which is why they only wore one glove each of the opposite hand. They in turn gave Peter pins for various causes to wear on his jacket. Peter suffered for siding with them as the Australians refused to allow him to represent them at the olympics again unless he apologized for supporting their protest. He refused and was persona non-grata among many in Australia for decades. Tommie and John (who both suffered even more) journeyed all the way to Australia when Peter died and were among the paul bearers for Peter's casket. He was their brother. Individuals aren't necessarily the same as their general group. Walling yourself off in a black bubble won’t help blacks in the US move fwd. Collectively practicing Black group economics is not the key to solving the our main issues here in this country? What are we supposed to go link up with Hispanics and Asians? Oh no wait THEY actually do "wall" themselves away from other groups to reach a common economic goal. Thanks to their lack of inclusiveness of other groups they have successfully colonized many parts of the black community, and there is no shade from me towards them for that. It's them simply being smart, NOT friendly. But you on the other hand are saying that black people doing this is "hostile" "angry" and all of all of your other white liberal endorsed statements of detraction away from black social-economic unity. Economics knows no race. It either works or it doesn’t. Blacks in America can’t progress by walling themselves off economically even if that were possible. Blacks are the poorest or 2nd poorest group in the country and only 12-13% of the pop so why would any business person only depend on their $s to make themselves successful as possible? Ex: go to almost any nationalist/woke/revolutionary rapper’s concert and there’ll be many whites and other non-blacks there and they also buy their records. And no, non-blacks do not wall themselves off economically to be successful. As you said many of them have businesses in black neighborhoods. Also the ones who are successful are that way cuz of sorting i.e. a disproportionately high % of immigrants from almost any country tend to be from the more educated well-off classes. They don’t just go to work for their own group or sell to their own group. You’re all emotion and no practicality nor even grounding in facts. Yes a lot of non-blacks are racist and don’t f with us but a lot of them also do f with us. You're coming into America thinking that you know the game, when you don't really know ish. What Ali (another real one from Louisville) said about not all white people being bad applies to those other groups that the white supremacist co-op over here in America. These were the words of one of the realest leaders in our lifetime, but they likely make you cringe. That British white boy interviewing didn't any "logical" response to what the man said! He had candid "you really mean that" responses along with laughs. He knew that he was dealing with a smart non brain washed black man. He could not present his white liberal "put your guard down around us" that YOU would likely eat up, because Ali had already set the narrative with real talk. You have to be honest about the attitude of alot of Africans (and immigrants in general). You people don't see yourselves as aligned with us a lot of the time, and many times I see that Africans appear to be vetted by white people before they are allowed here. There are groups of Africans who derogatory names towards American blacks like "akata" and ish like that. So y'all got that nasty culture towards us, and you're bringing it here to America with the hand of our ultimate Foe. Essentially a divide and conquer scheme that silly ignorant ass Africans are really playing up with. In case you don't know African coons with that attitude are really being put on the hot seat by the conscious community abroad. Africans are coming over here not trying to link up with black people here, but to one up us. Y'all sound like Asians, and y'all really don't know the perils of doing that to us. My point went right over your head. You Africans with your silly attitudes are the sleeper cells that Tariq Nasheed mentioned. Listen to poor African girl who was adopted by white people. This is all the information needed explaining why so many African immigrants who come over here are so detached from African Americans. You don't even understand what Muhammad Ali was saying. You realize he had white friends and had a white man (Angelo Dundee) train him right? Why use a white man when there were tons of great black trainers around? Ali recognized that whites as a group were out to harm blacks but that didn't mean some individual whites couldn't be friends or allies or be worked with. This is what one of his white friends said of their 1st meeting www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/unlikely-story-muhammad-ali-been-7526257: Yes, there are some africans who talk badly about AAs just like there're many AAs who talk badly about africans and other black immigrants. All you have is more venom and no real solid argument. You're bitter and lashing out at everyone who isn't AA and even AAs who don't meet your approval for enough real blackness. Stay in your small bitter world then.
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Post by africurious on Dec 16, 2018 14:02:20 GMT -5
No the nationalism never ever dissappeared. The white folks who were allowed to be the heads of hiphop within the last two to three decades, will make an artist screaming a nationalist message feel as though his message is being echoed into an empty chamber. They want black people to get the impression that only a few black people are still on the nationalist tip, and that the vast majority embrace seeing, whites, Asians, Hispanics and all other races (who normally don't f^ck with us and even have vitriol against) in our culture under false notion of an all inclusive culture BUILT BY BLACKS, but is for everyone. And I say f^ck that notion. Keep hip hop black and keep tags on the vultures who we allow into our culture. Hot the EPITOME of culture vulturism in hiphop. Here you have an ENTIRE panel of non black people discussing black culture. That is propaganda to make non blacks comfortable with hi-jacking our culture under the guise of "it's everyone's culture", and I say f*ck all of that. You sound like you need to get out and explore the world more. Walling yourself off in a black bubble won’t help blacks in the US move fwd. Yes a lot of non-blacks are racist and don’t f with us but a lot of them also do f with us. Blacks are only 12-13% of the US and we’ll need allies. As long as they respect us then they’re a potential political ally. It’s hard to help your people when you don’t have allies and aren’t friends with them. Also, ppl have been borrowing culture since the existence of human beings so I don’t know how you propose to stop that.
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Post by africurious on Dec 16, 2018 13:45:29 GMT -5
The Amba folk are certainly carving out some alternative options-it would be nice to see their local currency take off and boost local/regional prosperity for people in that area. Speaking of deportation I was reading the other day a book called "The Defender" -by Ethan Michaeli, a history of the legendary Chicago Defender newspaper- good read so far. But I was kinda disappointed to read that it was the editor of the paper, Robert Abbot, who hired a private investigator to help set Marcus Garvey up, according to the book. When Garvey was in CHicago to make a speech to about 150 attendees, Abbot beforehand hired a black private investigator to purchase 2 shares of stock int he Black Star Line shipping company. He then collaborated with white officials to use this purchase (no evidence of fraud was found at the time) to issue an arrest warrant for Marcus Garvey for "stock sale violations". Sure enough, as Garvey mounted the podium in CHicago to make his speech, white plains-clothes police appeared to serve the arrest warrant, and took him away, ensuring that Garvey would never be able to deliver his speech, and adding to the list of government charges (some bogus) against Marcus Mosiah Garvey. Granted, Garvey had been feuding with the editor in previous weeks, and set up the speech location a short distance from the Defender's headquarters, perhaps to denounce it. Still I was taken aback to read this. I knew of course that a number of black establishment figures had disagreed with Garvey and opposed to him. And sure, Garvey often hurt his own case with his bombastic style and some ill-advised moves, and failed to run a tight business ship, but I had thought it was mostly J Edgar Hoover and his agents doing the dirty work against him. The depth of collaboration between the establishment blacks and Hoover and gubment agents- some of whom would in the future bring pain and Hoover's sting to the anti-Garveyites, like WE Dubois, surprised me nevertheless. Damn, man, always got some dumbass folks who let pride, greed and other personal failings let them collaborate with oppressor against black rivals. Everyone won’t get along but working with the gov in this case was going too far. Also, glad you posted this cuz it was a few months ago we had some ppl on this forum talking about how whites/American gov is using immigrant blacks to hold AAs back and begrudging immigrant blacks of their achievements eventho we all in the same struggle. Now here you have the black nationalist par excellance who is a black immigrant leading an international black movement and his destruction is aided by AAs helping the Am govt/white man. The loud mouths of course ain’t got nothing to say about this, smh.
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Post by africurious on Dec 14, 2018 12:53:13 GMT -5
Recently posted: [Beta Israel] are converts. Who converted them when? I don’t know. The answer is not necessary to conclude they are descended from converts. If you believe they aren’t descended from converts, why not share with us why you believe so?
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Post by africurious on Dec 3, 2018 12:36:24 GMT -5
^I have challenged him several times but tend not to cuz it’s futile. You can’t argue/have a meaningful discussion when the other party is dishonest and is pushing an agenda. He and others I’ve seen act similarly already know they can’t fool people who understand the subject. They’re trying to reach the ones who don’t really want to have deep understanding of the past but just wanna hear about who was black or all the great things that can be attributed to black ppl. They want feel-good doctrine instead of understanding. Those kind of ppl won’t be swayed by reason.
I didn’t read xyman’s post you mentioned so Idk what he was talking about. Yes some Africans pops are mixed with non-Africans even more than AAs.
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Post by africurious on Dec 1, 2018 20:34:44 GMT -5
[\quote][\b]Thank you for providing the link at the end of your comment. My question wasn't a challenge but a request for specific information on Zaharan's claim. You wrote: "...I can’t see why anyone would question zarahan’s claim when it’s so obvious. " Are. you. serious? I asked because our friend, djoser-xyyman, claimed that the people of Cape Verde and Madagascar were mixed long before the European age of exploration. egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/2766/abusir-strs-finally-africans?page=3.[/b][/quote]Ohhh ok gotcha. I don’t trust anything xyman says unless I or someone more reputable verifies/backs it first. He purposely posts misleading info and/or misleading interpretations of data/info, uses logical fallacies galore, and he often doesn’t fully understand what he discusses. This is just being frank, no ad hominem intended. Most other regular posters here don’t do that. I suggest ignoring his rants. I’ll look into some of the links you provided.
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