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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 7, 2020 12:21:26 GMT -5
At it again......
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 6, 2020 22:28:08 GMT -5
R1b all throughout Africa - Angola
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 5, 2020 22:47:27 GMT -5
"high microsatellite variance was found inside this haplogroup in Central-West Africa and a decrease in this variance was observed towards Northeast Africa"
Funny they did not do it for R1b-M269. But this is what needs to be done for R1b in Brazil, Europe and Africa to determine pre Colombian Cross-Atlantic migration
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 5, 2020 22:44:28 GMT -5
The genetic landscape of Equatorial Guinea and the origin and migration routes of the Y chromosome haplogroup R-V88. González M1, Gomes V, López-Parra AM, Amorim A, Carracedo A, Sánchez-Diz P, Arroyo-Pardo E, Gusmão L.
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Abstract Human Y chromosomes belonging to the haplogroup R1b1-P25, although very common in Europe, are usually rare in Africa. However, recently published studies have reported high frequencies of this haplogroup in the central-western region of the African continent and proposed that this represents a 'back-to-Africa' migration during prehistoric times. To obtain a deeper insight into the history of these lineages, we characterised the paternal genetic background of a population in Equatorial Guinea, a Central-West African country located near the region in which the highest frequencies of the R1b1 haplogroup in Africa have been found to date. In our sample, the large majority (78.6%) of the sequences belong to subclades in haplogroup E, which are the most frequent in Bantu groups. However, the frequency of the R1b1 haplogroup in our sample (17.0%) was higher than that previously observed for the majority of the African continent. Of these R1b1 samples, nine are defined by the V88 marker, which was recently discovered in Africa. As high microsatellite variance was found inside this haplogroup in Central-West Africa and a decrease in this variance was observed towards Northeast Africa, our findings do not support the previously hypothesised movement of Chadic-speaking people from the North across the Sahara as the explanation for these R1b1 lineages in Central-West Africa. The present findings are also compatible with an origin of the V88-derived allele in the Central-West Africa, and its presence in North Africa may be better explained as the result of a migration from the south during the mid-Holocene.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 5, 2020 19:58:34 GMT -5
Genetic science will expose the lies In case you missed it. The author is stating these Jews in STP did NOT originate in Portugal or maybe Europe. They may be "Jews' indigenous to Africa. As I said RETHINK Everything you have read.....in books. Time to think on your feet.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 5, 2020 19:57:56 GMT -5
From the study...this will oodly your noodles
quote "Among the European Y chromosomes, none were found to belong to haplogroups J and T previously reported to have high frequencies in Portuguese Jews (>50%) [7]. I"
Another lie by Europeans. No Portuguese Jews entered STP or Cape Verde. All lies by European Historians that we are so eager to believe.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 5, 2020 19:50:35 GMT -5
Jews....?? Is the Author stating it is a lie about Jews to STP, No proof exist this really happened. But here is the kicker. The referenced book was written in 2004. GTFOH!!!! 2004!!! quote: "São Tomé islands were probably uninhabited at the time of the Portuguese discovery in 1471. Soon after that, the first settlements took place in 1486, by João de Paiva, who took with him many Jews. One of the most controversial episodes of this colonization is the forced migration of Jewish children in 1492 [1]. The information about this occurrence is scarce and diverges between Jewish and Christian historians. Around 2000 young children and teenagers were taken from their families, forcedly baptized [1] and sent to the archipelago so they could be away from the Jewish faith, grow up with a Christian education and contribute to the population of the new territory, one of the main aims of the Portuguese king Joao III [1]. Several documents confirm that many of these children survived and along with other settlers, mainly of African origin, started the process of miscegenation. Over more than a century several documents attest to the continuous movement of newChristians to São Tomé, which worked as a refuge from the inquisitional prosecutions and also as a strategical location for the flourish intercontinental trade lead manly by New Christians [2]. Despite the documents above mentioned, the information available on the impact or number of Jewish people that really went (and when) to São Tomé is scarce." quote Yes, OK. Not news to me anyway. For heaven's sake look at a map. Cabo Verde is the same level as the Lower Senegal river. Who do we find there of old? Wolof Fula Maurs Of course there's N Afr ancestry there. Another fact, Cabo Verde sugar plantations were N Afr Jew operations. Just like in the Caribbean, Cabo Verde was also a 'seasoning' depot. W Indies sent 'seasoned' Africans on to N Amer, Cabo Verde to the w hemi. Myopia is a shut in view called tunnel vision. Incorporate multi-disciplinary methodology
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 5, 2020 19:33:59 GMT -5
Yep, either one of these two scenario. Appropriate genetics testing can determine which is correct. Not so much the E1b1b* results but the R1b*. If it is R1b-V88 then I am correct. I am speculating t is R1b-V88, Standard history has the capeverdes as being uninhabited until about 1440s when Portuguese arrive....and then populated by Ports, Jews, and African "slaves". The evidence suggests either they were already populated by a NAfr population or Nafr were brought there by Portuguese and also brought them to Brazil and New World.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 5, 2020 19:07:09 GMT -5
STP is another set of Islands in the Atlantic Ocean off the coats of West Africa. Here THEY are saying, not me xyyman, that what is documented is a lie.
Genetics science will make liars of what is written in history books!!!!!
So....to those following the discussion. I forgot STP. All these Islands in the Atlantic Ocean of Africa carry lineage that CANNOT be explained by Portuguese Colonialism.
These ISLANDS were OCCUPIED by humans prior to the Portuguese. That is the only reasonable explanation. Now what does that have to do with the OP or thread topic?
Did this occupation stop ON the Atlantic Islands or did it continue on to other Islands clear across the Atlantic to the mainland or the Americas. I find it impossible BUT a big BUT we know prehistoric humans migrated throughout the Pacific and Indian Ocean/Islands so why not the Atlantic Ocean. We will see.
They can easily resolve this issue by deep genetic analysis of yDNA in Soa Tome Principe (STP), Cape Verde, Azores, Canary Islands, Puerto Ricans, Brazilians etc.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 5, 2020 19:04:32 GMT -5
Here is more...from a prior thread
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Dissecting the genetic history of São Tomé e Príncipe: a new window from Y-chromosome biallelic markers. Trovoada MJ1, Tavares L, Gusmão L, Alves C, Abade A, Amorim A, Prata MJ. Author information Abstract Twenty biallelic Y chromosome markers were analyzed in Angolares, Forros and Tongas, three population groups from the African archipelago of São Tomé e Príncipe. While most male lineages belonged to sub-Saharan haplogroups, the component of European origin added up 23.9% in the archipelago. This contrasts with the reported absence of European mtDNA lineages, and the combined findings testify to a strong sex-biased admixture process during the long-lasting colonial period in São Tomé e Príncipe. Furthermore, the male mediated European component was clearly found to be ***out of proportion**** to the small demographic impact of the Portuguese on the islands, reflecting high variance in the reproductive success of the individuals that contributed to its peopling. The male portion of European ancestry was 33.3% in Forros, 27.3% in Tongas and approximately two-fold less, 14.5%, in Angolares. The Angolares also showed the lowest haplogroup diversity and the most reduced number of different haplogroups. The current results reinforce our previous evidence pointing to remarkable restrictions in gene flow between Angolares and other São Tomean inhabitants, in agreement with their considerable isolation and confinement to the south-eastern tip of São Tomé until recently.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 5, 2020 18:42:25 GMT -5
Considered North African... quote: "Multiplex E results show that all samples belonged to subclades of the P2 marker, E-M35 and E-M2. The former, observed in 53.3% of these individuals, included E1b1b-M35*, E1b1b-M81, E1b1b-M78, and E1b1b-M123." Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/2995/pre-columbian-africans?page=1#ixzz6D7suObphYes....but is that true ?? Perhaps the entire standard narrative has to be rethought as evidence piles up. What are the specifics of this NAfr DNA ?
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 5, 2020 18:40:31 GMT -5
No only is there North African ancestry, the MAJORITY of African ancestry IS North African. The same genetic make up is seen in ancient Canary Islanders, ancient Puerto Rico(16th century), modern Brazil and modern Cape Verde.
Let's break this down, putting aside the European "documents" that was read. The FACTS first. ....as presented by science. THe genetic data of Cape Verde is NOT consistent what is written in these European history books. Shriver et al. He was clear. The phenotypic make up of Cape Verde is NOT consistent from Admixture from colonial Portuguese. That means the "history books" you read are filled with lies.
So the followup question is ............tic toc.
Who and when, yes, who and when, was Cape Verde occupied? When did these Africans(North) ancestry enter Cape Verde. YOU THINK JEWS were expelled to CApe VErde bringing these genetic material. BUt why would Brazilians carry these same North African ancestry. After all, we were "edumicated" that Africans slaves were brought from Angola and Mozambique to populate Brazil. The genetics do NOT support that "edumication"...lol!
RETHINK EVERYTHING! RELEARN EVERYTHING!
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 5, 2020 12:47:50 GMT -5
The point is the DNA evidence of Cape Verde is NOT consistent with smuggling of lower West Africans. The yDNA is consistent with these people being North Africans. Similarly the ancient Canary Islanders carry the same genetic composition. 15-16th Century Puerto Ricans DNA is consistent with Canary Islanders. Now we have Brazalians NOT being consistent with West African slaves but more in line with Ancient Canary Islanders. If the Researchers do the right thing like high resolution analysis of the yDNA. This can be resolved. But they haven't.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 5, 2020 12:20:51 GMT -5
The way it works I believe is I follow certain Researchers through Google scholar. Like Instagram. They give the thumbs up to research papers or links periodically. When that happens it hits my inbox. Got to admit. I have about 1000 papers within the last 2 years. I Still have about 200 to look at. Information overload I think that's just a google scholar algorithm )hit. Nonetheless it is vital. Maybe not so much as in the days skepticism and thorough investigation characterised ES, but yeah I'm sure there's still a set of population genomicists referencing ES and ESR for commentary critique and leads they can find nowhere else. Any of them following you from 2008 to today are surely going back to see what other unique hypotheses of yours might also be vindicated by current pop gen sci.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Feb 4, 2020 21:17:46 GMT -5
Some of you asked me about my thoughts on African presence in the Americas prior to "Columbus". Well I told them I am on the fence but when I read paper like this I am slowly coming off that fence and choosing a side. The genetic makeup of Afro-Brazilian on the East coast of South America is more consistent with Cape Verde. The popular belief if that Cape Verde black genetic makeup is sub-saharan African, But it is not. The African makeup of Cape Verde is NORTH AFRICAN, Reading this paper and looking at the results I am floored, BRazilians are very similar to Cape Verde which is directly across from Brazil on the West African Atlantic. The same people existed on both sides of the Atlantic. Was there slavery? were Africans already in the Americas prior to supposed Columbus? Why do I believe this? The Brazilians are North Africans NOT Subsaharan West Africans. WOW!!!!! The genetic makeup of the Afro Brazilians are similar to Cape Verde which is North African. Don't believe everything you read in those "history" books. New insights on intercontinental origins of paternal lineages in Northeast Brazil Ana Paula Schaan, Results Primary multiplex results allowed the identification of six major haplogroups, four of which were screened for downstream SNPs and enabled the observation of 19 additional lineages. Results reveal a majority of Western European haplogroups, among which R1b-S116* was the most common (63.9%), corroborating historical records of colonizations by Iberian populations. Nonetheless, FST genetic distances show similarities between Northeast Brazil and several other European populations, indicating multiple origins of settlers. Regarding Native American ancestry, our findings confirm a strong sexual bias against such haplogroups, which represented only 2.5% of individuals, highly contrasting previous results for maternal lineages. Furthermore, we document the presence of several Middle Eastern and African haplogroups, supporting a complex historical formation of this population and highlighting its uniqueness among other Brazilian regions. Sub-lineages of E-P170 haplogroup A set of 13 downstream SNPs was chosen for increased resolution of 30 samples carrying the E-P170 marker. The importance of determining the ancestral origin of E haplogroup sub-lineages relies in the multiple colonization processes that took place in Northeast Brazil, which not only included the forced migration of many Sub-Saharan African groups, but also included subsequent North African and Middle Eastern immigrants (3). Multiplex E results show that all samples belonged to subclades of the P2 marker, E-M35 and E-M2. The former, observed in 53.3% of these individuals, included E1b1b-M35*, E1b1b-M81, E1b1b-M78, and E1b1b-M123. From the latter, E1b1a-M2*, E1b1a-M191, and E1b1a-M154 represented 46.7% of samples. ===================== xyyman comment - What is also interesting is contemporary colombian Puerto Ricans(aDNA), in the Atlantic Ocean, also carry North African DNA. It seems like there more North Africans DNA in the Americas than West African DNA, This is odd aDNA from Puerto Rico and Canary Islands are very similar to modern North Africans and Cape Verdeans and Burkina Faso Guinea Bissau
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