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Post by asante on Feb 12, 2020 12:30:25 GMT -5
Asante said: Oh, here's a comparison that I myself found between ancient Kemetic traditional art and recent West African art;
"Notice how both the Kemetic pharaoh and Dahomey king are depicted as giant rulers, and have one hand sticking out while being served by smaller humans. More proof of this diffusion of people and culture from the Hapi Valley into interior regions of Africa is shown in the appearance of the ancient Kemetic spiritual system being shown in these other African cultures. The Osirian crock and flail were sported by the kings of inner Africa. Notice that the Dahomey king holds the traditional Osirion Crock while the ancient Kemetic figure holds the Flail. It's also note worthy...that the color scheme of the Dahomey (Nigeria) are not depicting "black skinned" people despite us knowing that these people were/are still melaninated "black" Africans."
Why in Hell would a non Kemetyu people be utilizing the Osirian Crock and Flail insignia to indicate royalty, along with other details in their respective paintings almost matching verbatim? This a small sample of overlapping cultural affinities that are seen between ancient Kemet and Niger Congo speakers (West African in this example) that are found in no other groups on Earth.
To add context to this once again "Ethiopia" is in reference to Nubia not the modern nation. Now..Yes that is the same migration path that Chancellor Williams and M. Alfred assert through their own lines of evidence. It was a southward retreat following political turmoil from Upper Kemet into Lower Nubia (Napata - Meroe). Now this is where you sound a little slow in self thinking Zaharan....From your own database; "Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north. The culture of Upper Egypt, which became dynastic Egyptian civilization, could fairly be called a Sudanese transplant."(Egypt and Sub-Saharan Africa: Their Interaction. Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa, by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California (1997), pp. 465-472 )
If we know that the basis of Pharonic civilization as well as the story of Ausar & Asset (Osiris and Isis) originated in Nubia prior to the transference of it north into what was referred as Upper Kemet, then why would you possibly need evidence of the Osirian traditions being practiced in it's original homeland? Did they somehow lose that tradition? That wouldn't make sense at all given the intentions and actions of the 25th "Nubian" dynasty. Make it make sense Zaharan! Again just like the other dominant tropical West African nation state's oral traditions mentioned (Akan & Yoruba), and as the aforementioned scholars assert that the initial migratory region to escape political strife in Kemet was Meroe, the Fon (Dahomey) people also made their stop in Meroe prior to their Westward expansion. "Situated in western Africa, the Fon kingdom of Dahomey (or Abomey in its earliest years) was formed by a mixture of various local ethnic groups on the Abomey plain. The tribal groups, possibly forced to move due to the slave trade, coalesced around a highly centralised, strict military culture which was aimed at securing and eventually expanding the borders of the small kingdom. It also practised human sacrifice in large numbers and traded captives to the slave traders who prospered along its coastline, which was part of the notorious Slave Coast.
The kingdom covered the southern third of the modern republic of Benin, and it bore its name until 1975, when it was neutrally renamed the republic of Benin to appease the large number of ethnic groups which formed part of the relatively new state. Dahomey bore no relation to the Benin empire. It was the kingdom of the Fon people, one of the groups which formed the modern Benin state.
When the Nubians conquered Meroë at the start of the sixth century BC, some of the Meroë fled west and ended up establishing themselves in what is now Nigeria and Benin. This is known because the priesthood in these countries uses technical words which are Semitic. One of these is 'Al' as a prefix, used in the names of their spirits (angels). The word also lent itself to the name of the medieval state of Alodia. (Additional information by Edward Dawson.)"
Not only do we have validation of a specific Northeastern African (particularly Nubian-Kemetic) post-mortem ceremonial practice being utilized in recent West Africa, but we also have linguistic evidence to verify the Fon's noted route and settlement in Mereo. The presence of Semitic words coming from the war/interaction with the Axumite empire (as noted by C. Williams...) can better be explained by what other theory Zaharan? Thus far we have overlapping cultural affinities, linguistic evidence, and a correlating oral tradition of every group mentioned. You're either blind or full of it. Zaharan...If the argument is that a dispersal of black Africans, and particularly "Niger-Congo" and Nilo Saharan speakers from the Sudan/"aEthiopian"/Nubia following an initial southward move under a "refugee" status from Kemet, then what in the Hell does the wet period of the Sahara 8-9k years prior have to do with this argument? These Africans in Northeastern Africa are the result of that drying phase thousands upon thousands of years prior to that point (around 500 BC). Your naysaying response lacks substance, and has nothing but repetitive place fillers. Wouldn't ancient and modern DNA be credible Zaharan? Linguistic, archaeological, osteological, cultural, evidence has been provided to handsomely compliment the genetic evidence. Not to mention that the oral traditions of the three aforementioned groups in West Africa all have the same story of a mass migration from Hapi Valley civilization. You denying the legitimacy of this evidence makes you look like you're full of shit Zaharan. You're waiting on some sort of Westernized confirmation, and are petrified of "putting yourself out there". You're trying to stop others (myself) from moving ahead, not through counter evidence of an opposing theory, but rather naysaying scariness. Evidence has been provided for every group mentioned, that again correlates with the narrative told by accomplished scholar C. Williams and M. Alfred. To reiterate this is not a "theory" that I pulled out of my ass, nor did the aforementioned create the theory themselves. The Eurocentric crowd has admitted for centuries through their own evidence and reasoning (that has been suppressed since 1842) that this migration is the case. Your entire discontent with this is that there is no Oxford of Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt confirming this truth. The reason why you fail in that regard is because you are committing a logical fallacy, which is appealing to authority. The lack of contemporary Western scholars supporting this is your entire gripe with this assertion. The fact that the indigenous African equivalent of peer reviewed scholarship in the form of oral tradition, and the correlation of multiple neighboring groups stories of almost identical migratory patterns means nothing to you is case and point on how Eurocentric YOUR mindset. They (white Western Eurocentric scholars) are therefore YOUR Gods, and you're trying to spread that poisonous religion to the real ones. We ain't having it Zaharan. The oldest tested human remain with E1b1a (and E1b1a affinities) thus far has been from dynastic Kemet - Fact
Today there is little to no E1b1a in that same Northeast African region - FactThe oldest tested human remains from tropical West Africa (Cameroon) have no affinity with E1b1a carriers who now dominate the region- Fact
Ancient Meroetic aDNA has yet to be analyzed- FactWhile African aDNA is still limited in scope, from these facts we can strongly infer that a mass migration has taken place within the last 2,500 years to make E1b1a the dominant paternal lineage in tropical-Western Africa, and to make it almost absent in modern Northeastern Africa. Based on this set of facts based solely on aDNA and modern DNA this is the most plausible theory of how contemporary populations of Africa came into place. Unless you have a more plausible theory. If you do then please present it. In the scope of these older European writers who themselves rely heavily on Greek interpretation this should be a given... The Greeks referred to what we now call "Nubia" as "Ethiopia". The modern nation that was referred to as "Abyssinia" during our parents and grandparents lifetime has relatively little ancient value alone. Dhar Tichitt was a Mande site. I have stated that already in this thread! The Mande were the group of Niger-Congo speakers who split apart from the greater Niger-Congo speaking group, and headed into the Western Sahara with somewhat close affinity to the near by Nilo-Saharan speakers coming by way of Lake Mega Chad. This early split and mixture is why the Mande have a somewhat notable genetic divergence from other Niger-Congo speaking populations. Yes, they created the Dhar Tichitt states, and have dominated the region until this date. The mere presence of the Dhar Tichitt state in what should have been an isolated region of the World, is the evidence that I use to infer that the ancient Sahara had some major things poppin, and is the home of the early states of ancient civilizations. Political strife has been the reason noted for migrations from Kemet and Nubia correct? The oldest remnants of Nok culture according the " mainstream" sources is at around 1,500 BC. The Hyksos were not expelled from Kemet from the century of rule until 1580 BC. We are well within a chaotic period due to foreign incursion at the first glimpses of Nok civilization. Now what evidence do we have of any connection to Kemet? Is that an Osirian crock strapped to the arm of the seated dignitary from the Nok civilization? The Met Museum where this was housed certainly linked it to Kemet in their original description of the art piece.
Also....Didn't the Olmec civilization first appear around 1,500 BC as well? Hmmmm we know that the Kemetyu in the northern half of the civilization where the Hyksos stationed themselves were subjected to horrendous rule of the Asiatic-Kushitic set worshiping foreigners. It is likely that the subjugated Kemetyu simply said "F this" and sailed to the Americas, and stopped off the coast of Western Africa (Nigeria) along the way. We know that the currents from modern day Nigeria (Nok civilization) takes any ship voluntary or involuntary to the Mexican gulf coast where the Olmec civilization first took place. To reiterate, the formulative periods of both the Olmec and Nok civilizations occur during the turmoil brought onto the Kemetic civilization by the Hyksos. Later migrations of Hapi Valley Africans during later dates into these civilizations, further enhanced the civilizations to bring them to their zenith. You have to analyze evidence from all sources, and from that YOU MUST THINK FOR YOURSELF ZAHARAN!
My argument is sound, so you once again can sit down!
Again your dismissal of the oral traditions of the very Africans whose origins we are discussing is telling of your mind state. That's not to mention that supplemental evidence in the form of linguistics, cultural, and biological has already been presented verifying what these oral traditions state.
I've provided sufficient multidisciplinary evidence for this argument. Which ones have you successfully pointed out Zaharan? Zaharan I have stepped to the most outspoken opponents of Africans having any thing to do with civilization, and everyone of them have been broken by the facts that support the origin theory of the Master teachers. I have listed the forums where I have came to them with this, and over the last half decade. Yet you have no examples of them giving me any real trouble. Beyoku has no examples of them giving me any trouble. The main opponents to this theory are the likes of you, and the scary "Negroes" on this forum and the old one. That means that there is no real oppositions to my evidence for this. I've made them all look stupid with my evidence. They're white ass kissers (including your buddy), and I've called them out as such. They do nothing, but project their racial own insecurities onto this. The mere fact that they are there to be the pets of white supremacist, and find common ground with people who wish to deny them and their people a prominent place in history speaks volumes about their sick mind.
You've yet to point out which one of their gripes I have not dealt with.
I will say the same thing that Beyoku told you years ago....THINK FOR YOURSELF. Stop relying on quote mining alone to generate an argument. Stop projecting your hesitance to on thinking outside of the designated box onto those who do so, and do so with sufficient evidence.
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Post by asante on Feb 11, 2020 10:30:50 GMT -5
One must asked....WHY IN THE HELL ARE SO MANY BLACKS ON EGYPTSEARCH SO SCARED TO MOVE ON THE BOLDED STATEMENTS? I've created a thread that lays that shit out with MODERN research, and even when presented to white supremacist they have no rebuttal!!! It's like some of these blacks on Egyptsearch are scared that if they make the bold proclamation that Kemet is our heritage that some white boogieman would come and take it. If that's our heritage, and folks are scared to claim it then that 'PATHETIC! It's the epitome of an inferiority complex! Make no mistake, I would love to see more direct links the data on hand do not show a direct diffusion of Egyptian civilization via Ethiopia to the West Coast. Oh, here's a comparison that I myself found between ancient Kemetic traditional art and recent West African art; "Notice how both the Kemetic pharaoh and Dahomey king are depicted as giant rulers, and have one hand sticking out while being served by smaller humans. More proof of this diffusion of people and culture from the Hapi Valley into interior regions of Africa is shown in the appearance of the ancient Kemetic spiritual system being shown in these other African cultures. The Osirian crock and flail were sported by the kings of inner Africa. Notice that the Dahomey king holds the traditional Osirion Crock while the ancient Kemetic figure holds the Flail. It's also note worthy...that the color scheme of the Dahomey (Nigeria) are not depicting "black skinned" people despite us knowing that these people were/are still melaninated "black" Africans."
Why in Hell would a non Kemetyu people be utilizing the Osirian Crock and Flail insignia to indicate royalty, along with other details in their respective paintings almost matching verbatim? This a small sample of overlapping cultural affinities that are seen between ancient Kemet and Niger Congo speakers (West African in this example) that are found in no other groups on Earth.
What are you talking about? The Pharonic reamins of Meroe were mummified; "we know that the pyramid proper, a sun symbol, which contains or surmounts the burial vault where the royal mummy lay, is but one element of the complex constituting the complete royal burial place."
Here is a recent Nigerian mummy; Mummy of the Obi Ijeh of Idumuoghu,Ibusa, Nigeria From Oscar Pfouma "Histoire culturelle de l'Afrique Noire
Well if a direct diffusion from the Hapi Valley is being argued, wouldn't the period 8-9,000 years prior to dynastic civilization be somewhat irrelevant to my specific argument? While the Hapi Valley and certain West African populace certainly had a common origin in the ancient Sahara prior to the formulation of dynastic civilization, the cultures of the latter is what is specifically being argued. Your demands for evidence in that regard are therefore irrelevant question. Let's pay attention to what is actually being argued here Zaharan. Wouldn't ancient and modern DNA be credible Zaharan?
How does a scholar's work from the 80's reflect modern genetic patterns of today? How did M. Alfred know that the populations that carry the signature Niger-Congo paternal genetic marker E1b1a, have an ultimate origin in the Sudan, with influence in the vicinity of that region? It would only make sense if there was already a sufficient basis for the theory with archaeology alone. The hypothesized origins of Niger-Congo speakers by M. Alfred shows an almost absent frequency of the E1b1a unlike almost any other region of Africa. The genetic markers lack of distributions is almost identical to the area in which Alfred proposed the origins of the Niger-Congo speakers. This looks like a clear and complete migration from the homeland that has been proposed. It's like a puzzle piece.Not to mention that the main lines of the migration from Kemet in Alfred's map from the 80's below ironically point to the regions with the highest frequency of the Niger-Congo speakers signature genetic marker based on the Rose study from 2008.
We also know from Keita, that the because of the remnants of E1b1a in areas not affected by the deadend theory of the "Bantu Migration from Cameroon" cannot be explained by the Bantu migration. This study was 8 years prior to the finding of M2 in Dynastic Kemet, which would mean that the hypothesis that he lays out in the passage below of it's presence in the wet Sahara and it's migration onto the Hapi Valley during the formative period of Hapi Valley civilization is the best explanation. Remember that recent DNA findings of Twa like populations of ancient Cameroon had noting to do with Niger-Congo speakers, which almost completely discredits the theory of the Bantu Migration from Cameroon. Aside from the Mande in the Western Sahara there is no genetic evidence supporting the prehistoric presence of Niger-Congo speakers in West Africa. The Distribution of E-M2 and it clades in Central and Southern Africa has usually been explained by the ‘‘Bantu migrations" (which occurred 3000-2500 B.C), in which agriculture and iron technologies spread from the Bantu's homeland located in the Benue complex i.e. Nigeria/Cameroon’’ But their presence in the Nile Valley and in other Non-Bantu speakers Can Not be explained in this way. E-M2 distribution is probably explained by their presence in the populations of the “Early Holocene Sahara”, Who went on to people the Nile Valley in The mid-Holocene era (12,000 B.P.) according to Hassan (1988). Keita and Boyce; Boyce, A. J. (Anthony J.) (2005). "Genetics, Egypt, and History: Interpreting Geographical Patterns of Y Chromosome Variation".
For starters, the term "Ethiopia" is being used in the context of "Nubia" proper not modern country who was given the name within our parents lifetime. When the Persians invaded Kemet, there was a mass migration of the Niger-Congo speaking (and Nilo-Saharan, and possibly some Cushitic speakers) populace from Upper Kemet into Lower Nubia ("Ethiopia"). From Napata into Mereo. The sudden prominence of Mereotic Kush was the direct result of this diffusion of a large percentage of the refugees from original Kemetyu populace resettling further up the Hapi. Is oral tradition (yet another correlating story among West African Niger-Congo speakers as C.A. Diop so confidently stated in his book) of one of West Africa's most prominent populations not " SPECIFIC" enough; "Oral traditions of the ruling Abrade (Aduana) Clan state that Akans originated from ancient Ghana. The Akan people migrated from the north through Egypt and settled in Nubia (Sudan). Around 500 AD (5th century), due to the pressure exerted on Nubia by the Axumite kingdom of Ethiopia, Nubia was scattered and the Akan people moved west and established small trading kingdoms. These kingdoms grew and around 750 AD the Ghana Empire was formed. The Empire lasted from 750 AD to 1200 AD and collapsed as a result of the introduction of Islam in Western Sudan, due to the zeal of the Muslims to impose their religion, their ancestors eventually left for Kong (i.e. present-day Ivory Coast). From Kong, they moved to Wam and then to Dormaa (both located in present-day Brong-Ahafo region). The movement from Kong was necessitated by the desire of the people to find suitable savannah conditions since they were not used to forest life. Around the 14th century, they moved from Dormaa South Eastwards to Twifo-Heman North West Cape Coast. This move was commercially motivated." Here are more sources supporting what has been written about the Akan's Hapi Valley Origins. www.academia.edu/3876359/AKAN_-_The_People_of_Ancient_Khanit_Akan_Land_-_Ancient_Nubia_Sudan_unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000042627Is the oral tradition not SPECIFIC enough? It appears to be word for word, with more details actually. Do you need more oral traditions from the various nation-states throughout Western Africa correlating with this Akan version? Do you think that the Akan consulted with the European whose text I reposted to come to this conclusion Zaharan? Do you honestly believe that they themselves do not have their own artifacts to correlate these stories of their origins? Did you see above where I posted the neighboring Yoruba patriarch is also said to have been a migrant for the exact same reason?
Zaharan..... sit down! My thread's prototype is still on Forum Biodiversity, and Theapricity. I tested my theory on those simps, and they all ducked their tails between their legs and ran away like cowards. Everyone from Beyoku to the other coons on the site made their little comments, but no serious rebuttal. Hell I've even stated, that BEYOKU was the one who went rogue one day, and pointed this out with some of the maps above. The issue with him, was that he was afraid to stand on it. I went so hard in the prototypes that the white supremacist moderators who were used to creating threads on the topic, while subsequently "controlling the narrative" (via the title - "Ancient Egypt was Caucasoid") resorted to having to "approve" my post, banning me, and then deleting my post. The one's who had the balls to try to step to my argument, (the most prominent racist) got their asses tossed out of the "debate" within 3 exchanges. I beat one dude's ass so bad in the discussion, that after Ellias banned my third account (lol) he felt that he had to delete the entire debate from the thread (and there was no profanity). The same thing on Anthroscape and Historum. The same thing over on Anthrogencia, which is the "new" covertly racist "genetic' forum. They resorted to these cowardly tactics when I created a thread to present the 2018 study from SOY Keita about a year and a half ago. Who are these people who you think will crush my argument? As Dr. Clyde Winters has proven, they are really trying to rewrite history with genetics, and exclude all other forms of evidence in the discussion. I wasn't having any of that, and they didn't know what to do! They sent in their racist into the thread to bait me into a shit throwing contest, and from their they used it as an excuse to close my thread and ban me. Beyoku was there too. He was there cooning, in the form of liking the comments of white folks pretending to be Africans. If I wasn't on my work computer I would link you to every one of those debates on those white supremacist websites. Regardless, for over half a decade I have adamantly invited those who dispute my argument of this diffusion to my own thread here on Egyptsearch. None of the white supremacist would dare do that, especially given that they don't have special administrative powers to censor their ass whooping. None of the coons from those sites have stepped to the plate as challenged. I've long invited Beyoku to come and debate, but he has yet to do so. He has a troll/puppet account on this site where he randomly makes simple statements like "you lost the debates on those other sites". Then when I link to the thread's in question, and ask for him to specify which posters got my goat, he runs away, because he's full of shit in that regard. Hell YOU'VE tried to throw rocks on the road to this revelation early on in various threads, from the peopling of West Africa, to a few others, and you bowed out of those discussions. You've even resorted to opening up closed threads, to make your rebuttals to me with your admin privileges...yeah I ain't forgot! This argument is solid to the core. There are no chinks in the armor. Almost every week there is more evidence added to my thread. The ancient Cameroonian DNA findings of the other week, further sealed the deal on the argument! Y'all don't know how to piece this evidence together like I do. Y'all are really waiting for a ground breaking DNA study that will overhaul the Smithsonian's billion dollar invested narrative from the same people who adhere to the Smithsonian, and that's not going to happen. The fact that no media coverage was given to the Ramses III E1b1a findings in almost a decade of it's release, should be your que to make this truth come out on our own... BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE THIS TO US, WE MUST TAKE IT! And tell them to kiss our asses while we do it. OK.... Asante said - "One must asked....WHY IN THE HELL ARE SO MANY BLACKS ON EGYPTSEARCH SO SCARED TO MOVE ON THE BOLDED STATEMENTS?" Now what was in the bold statement of the exert Zaharan? "personal library and his own direct knowledge of the Ashantis, wrote An Essay on the
Superstitions, Customs, and Arts, Common to the Ancient Egyptians, Abyssinians, and Ashantees, in
which he argued that Egyptian civilization was diffused via Ethiopia **to the West Coast
of Africa.** "
That's a strawman Zaharan. You don't have to resort to logical fallacies, just tell the truth. Is reading comprehension an issue with you, or are you so eager to naysay and finger wag against "extreme Afrocentrism" that you're missing the actual point? Regardless you need to sit the Hell down for this gross misrepresentation of my argument.
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Post by asante on Feb 10, 2020 15:54:22 GMT -5
The Homie used alot of my talking points in this Sa-Neter interview. I cite my name at the bottom of my last post on the first page, and he could have did the same.
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Post by asante on Feb 10, 2020 14:36:47 GMT -5
quote: "I have not found much evidence that Cuvier had a significant impact on the discussion until much later, although already in 1821 Thomas Edward Bowdich, using the resources of Cuvier’s personal library and his own direct knowledge of the Ashantis, wrote An Essay on the Superstitions, Customs, and Arts, Common to the Ancient Egyptians, Abyssinians, and Ashantees, in which he argued that Egyptian civilization was diffused via Ethiopia **to the West Coast of Africa.** Bowdich thereby reversed the widespread belief of the time that Egypt had received its civilization from Ethiopia. However, Bowdich’s argument seems to have had little impact, although a similar thesis was established independently some twenty years later. Bowdich’s observation that he found among the higher class of Ashantis the aquiline nose and thin lips of the modern Copts and ancient Egyptians also failed to attract attention.32 parallax" One must asked....WHY IN THE HELL ARE SO MANY BLACKS ON EGYPTSEARCH SO SCARED TO MOVE ON THE BOLDED STATEMENTS? I've created a thread that lays that shit out with MODERN research, and even when presented to white supremacist they have no rebuttal!!! It's like some of these blacks on Egyptsearch are scared that if they make the bold proclamation that Kemet is our heritage that some white boogieman would come and take it. If that's our heritage, and folks are scared to claim it then that 'PATHETIC! It's the epitome of an inferiority complex!
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Post by asante on Feb 7, 2020 15:58:29 GMT -5
This is HARD! Do you have the entire book or know where it can be purchased?
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Post by asante on Feb 5, 2020 11:09:55 GMT -5
AFAIC No, Black America has no more claim on ancient Egypt than white America has on ancient Greece and Rome. I completely disagree with that pacifist rhetoric! The ancient Romans and Greeks came from a mixture of the preexisting Neolithic and later Saharan African migrants along with a later migration of "Caucasians" that ravaged the entire Eastern Mediterranean.
"In this context it is likely that Bronze Age events may have facilitated the southward diffusion of populations carrying northern and central European biological elements and may have contributed to some degree of admixture between northern and central Europeans and Anatolians, and on a larger scale, between northeastern Mediterraneans and Anatolians. Even if we do not know which populations were involved, historical and archaeological data suggest, for instance, the 2nd millennium B.C. Minoan and later Mycenaean occupation of Anatolian coast, the arrival in Anatolia in the early 1st millennium B.C. of the Phrygians coming from Thrace, and later the arrival of settlers from Macedonia in Pisidia and in the Sagalassos territory (under Seleucid rule). The coming of the Dorians from Northern Greece and central Europe (the Dorians are claimed to be one of the main groups at the origin of the ancient Greeks) may have also brought northern and central European biological elements into southern populations. Indeed, the Dorians may have migrated southward to the Peloponnese, across the southern Aegean and Create, and later reached Asia Minor." F. X. Ricaut, M. Waelkens. (2008). Cranial Discrete Traits in a Byzantine Population and Eastern Mediterranean Population Movements Human Biology - Volume 80, Number 5, October 2008, pp. 535-564
These "Caucasians" who destroyed the Bronze age civilizations, and created a fixed mixed race of people were a distinct group from the later "Caucasians" who were the last one's out of the caves. Those who are the ancestors of the dominant contemporary Western European populations.
Western Europe underwent a major socio-cultural and economic transformation from Late Antiquity to the Early Middle Ages (i.e., third to tenth centuries CE). This period is often characterized by two major events: the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, and its invasion by various western and eastern barbarian/non-Romanized peoples such as the Goths, Franks, Anglo-Saxons, and Vandals, as well as by nomadic Huns; as such it has come to be known as the Migration Period.
So no, the Western European of "Caucasian" ancestry have nothing to do with ancient Rome nor Greece. They only inherited some of their knowledge through the Moorish occupation of southern Europe that lasted almost a millennium.
Now African Americans on the other hand (and the entire diaspora) are of "Niger-Congo" descent. The Niger-Congo speakers were the center piece of the ancient Kemetic civilization, and as this study of thread topic shows "Niger-Congo" speakers are not synonymous with West, Central nor Southern Africa. In fact as C.A. Diop has long asserted we have been in consistent migration from the Hapi Valley since it's destruction by the Persians, and many subsequent invasions and or political turmoil starting in the main around 500 BC.
DNAconsultant Analysis
"The Akhenaten Gene. Named for the pharaoh who attempted to convert Kemet to monotheism, this autosomal ancestry marker like most of the Amarna family group’s DNA is clearly African in origin. Akhenaten received it from his mother, Queen Tiye.... But it is mostly absent in Asia and the Americas, except where brought there by Africans or people carrying some African ancestry. About 1 in 6 Africans or African Americans has it."
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The King Tut Gene. Tutankhamun is the most famous of all pharaohs. He was the son and successor of Akhenaten, grandson of Amenhotep III and Queen Tiye and great-grandson of the royal matriarch Queen Thuya....Tutankhamun actually carries a “double dose” of the allele named for him. Like most of the other genes in the family, it is Central African in ancient origin, but unlike the other alleles it has a widespread, albeit sparse distribution outside Africa. Still, Africans (and African-influenced populations) are ten times more likely to have it than non-Africans.
While Mande is a large and proud component of diaspora ancestry, it is a fallacy to say that the bulk of ancestry is Mande. I and my family while obviously a hodgepodge are largely "Nigerian" (Igbo, Yoruba) by ancestry.
That is baseless pacifist conjecture. The Niger-Congo speakers came from Nubia ultimately, which includes the Mande. At least two Mande whom I've met have told me that they acknowledge their Nubian origins.
What was the timing of the prehistoric analysis? The oldest burial in Western Africa and possibly the World was of a Nilotic child. I say Nilotic, because the remains were noted to be exceptionally tall. We also know from other forms of archaeological evidence that Nilotic Africans have been in the central Sahara by way of Central Africa from the Upper Hapi Valley for close to 10,000 years.
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Post by asante on Feb 4, 2020 14:37:55 GMT -5
Nice finding! Let's all note that "West Africa" is a geographic location, NOT THE NAME OF A PEOPLE. If an invasive people wanted to take over large swaths of the Earth, and claim the legacies of the newly conquered lands for pale skin people through inferences made based solely on contemporary observations with no context as to how these people got into said places then such behavior would greatly help them. Nothing is "new" here in regards to this finding. African Origins of Civilization C.A. Diop We have had scholars of the highest credentials validate these arguments almost half century ago. Today we find genetics "discovering" what we already knew? Or do some people today really not want to respect what our own scholars have been telling us with regards to who we are and where we came from? C.A. Diop and Dr. Chancellor Williams had more credentials than Dr. King, but there are no statues of these God sends! Thus far just about everything that these scholars put in their books has been backed by modern genetics, which begs the question do we really need genetics to validate their arguments. Sure it helps, but are we really in that dire of a need for "mainstream" approval before we claim our history without question. Thus far to my knowledge the oldest example of E1b1a has been found in Dynastic Kemet.....Did C.A. Diop not devote an entire section of his most famous book to asserting the "Negroidness" of Ramses III and his subsequent race war with the translucent Sea Peoples? That on top of more DNA evidence that proves that every pharaoh genetically tested thus far is a black African with E1b1a affinity. The passage above clearly states that aside from the Twa (or Twa like people) other populations were absent in West Africa, and particularly tropical West Africa. I say Tropical because we know that he Mande broke away from the main body of Niger-Congo speakers via the Saharan desertification into the Saharan region of Western Africa, and set up shop with Dhar Tichitt, Wagadou, Mali etc etc. Furthermore we know that as an adverse affect of the African climate shift in line with desertification, the vast majority of tropical West Africa was uninhabitable swamp land per McIntosh & McIntosh 1981 ,1986 until relatively recently. Clearly Niger-Congo speakers are of a Northeastern African origins, and it was not until after the first century BC that mass settlements of these Niger-Congo groups into Central and West Africa began to take place. Eurocentrics are never going to validate this truth, it is up to us to piece this together.
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Post by asante on Jan 29, 2020 17:46:09 GMT -5
There is clearly a conspiracy to circulate white supremacist talking points like the ones seen on forums like "Forum Biodiversity" and Anthroscape to make them more "widely accepted". The talking points are entirely TOO COMMON for anyone watching to not see that this is what "they" want people to believe. One thing that the white boy said about one of my recent post that wasn't deleted was "that is Pre-DNA" research. Clearly...The white boys have caught on to the fact that we here and on other forums have a wide database of studies that are not centered on DNA that prove our points beyond a shadow of a doubt. They know that they cannot compete with what we have. DNA as some have noted is being used as white supremacist code talk, and Anthrogenecia is becoming a haven for that revamped pseudo science racist code talk. These whites are manufacturing an ancient history for themselves through this revisionist pseudo science code talk. With these genetics as XYman points out they are trying to control the narrative by doing sneaky things like only testing selected late period Egyptians and or stripping the STR's from the genetic profiles of the subjects, so that they can't get caught up like they did with the Amarna period mummies and Ramses III.
Websites like Historum (the largest history forum on the internet) which is set up by the Smithsonian had gotten fed up with Afrocentrics like myself coming in there and thrashing them with sources, so they banned "DNA discussions". They keep the Africa sub section at the very bottom , and they now have approve new threads that are created. I still have threads on one of my many accounts there waiting for approval lol. They deliberately set up condesending threads like "is there any evidence of "Sub Saharan African civilization", and essentially they allow these "pro black" coon ass Negroes (or whites pretending to be black) to come in there begging these white supremacist for recognition for the most minuscule African achievements. I otho don't come there looking to make friends with the likes of that. I make profound statements, like the African Origins of civilization, and prove my case step by step to their dismay until they ban my account of close the thread. Those coons on Historum cannot stand me more than they cannot stand the overt white supremacist, which makes absolutely no logical sense. In these threads that I create they allow overt white supremacist to come into them and derail them with overtly racist statements, and an attempt to bait me into a shitting match in order to close the thread, as opposed to reprimanding the white supremacist in the first place.
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Post by asante on Jan 29, 2020 12:39:43 GMT -5
I was recently in a spat in the comment sections on the Breakfast club regarding the Donkey of the Day for the MSNBC broadcaster who referred to the Lakers as the "N*ggers" and tried to clean it up by saying that she said "Nakers". I made a comment in response to some white guy pretending to be Hispanic (with a stereotypical last name), but making overtly white supremacist talking points. I got a considerable number of likes for my comment, and then another white supremacist made a rebuttal a few replies down from my own. I didn't get a notification of his response. My username is "Mrtreday90" and my other account is "DerrickGraves". They kept deleting the initial reply that I had made towards white supremacist "William Jagiello" that is partially shown under my Derrickgraves account. I had to use the second account to verify that they were actually deleting any comment that rebutted William Jegiello's initial response shown regarding the Latin language being "White", and surely enough they were. Every time I would refresh the page the comment would be gone. His racist comments regarding IQ that I reported were still able to stand. Notice how they kept the vulgar comment that I made to them calling them genetically recessive inbred albinos, but they kept deleting the comment that had substance He made a reply within the last 15 minutes about "DNA" proving the ancient Egyptians came from the Middle East and blah blah, so when I came back with the quotes (thanks to Zaharan's database) to give him that work THE ENTIRE THREAD WOULD NO LONGER SHOW UP ON MY ACCOUNT. All of my notification were suddenly gone.
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Post by asante on Jan 16, 2020 10:35:39 GMT -5
When Dr. Claude Anderson was on the breakfast club 3 weeks ago, Charlemagne said something interesting. He said that the only prosperous black community that we hear about, is the one in north Tulsa. Dr. Claude Anderson continued by saying that every city had a thriving black business district, which lead me to do my own research on Louisville.OK, but I am confused on Anderson point- because there were many thriving black business districts we do hear about like CHicago's Bronzeville (sic) and so on. What's confusing? I think that Charlemagne mentioned Bronzeville in the Breakfast club interview in that same instance referencing the lack of black historical knowledge outside of Tulsa. I could get good info still on the 1950's on up, but no I don't have too much outside of my family information on the black wall-street era business district, besides that great video that I stumbled upon in the black Louisville Facebook group. My grandfather on my mom's side is a family historian, but he's out in Cali right now. My late aunt Sherli was the first black (and I believe female period) post master here in Louisville. My great great grandfather "Big Daddy" was one of the first if not the first black police man here, and great great great uncle I believe the first black surgeon general here. My granddad's side was here from the early part of the 20th century, and perhaps the late 1800's. That was/is the "gangster-side" of the family. My granddad said that they owned a popular juke joint back in the day, and everybody respected my great great grandmother known as "Big Momma". I heard that that reputation traveled through the generations, which is clearly visible in many of the 60 and up family members. My mom's mother in her own way verified that they were gangsters, pimps and "playas". Louisville is and was known as a "gangster" city located between many other major cities in the South and mIdwest. It is was it is lol. Yep! The blacks in Lousville were shuffled into various parts of the Central, East and Westend areas throughout most of the 20th century. Louisville was regarded as one of if not the most liberal city in the South towards blacks, which is seen in the fact that the oldest black library in the country is located in the West End of Louisville (the singer Prince saved it from being closed). In a part of the West end that is now almost exclusively black known as the Shawnee area with big houses, was back in the 60's and 70's still a "white area", which was adjacent to the black area south of Broadway around Chickasaw park on into Southwick (Little Africa). We were not allowed in Shawnee park right up the street back in those days. That's unthinkable these days, considering how we now dominate the area. I support the reparations movement, and Tone is great with the numbers/"the data", but they in many people's opinion are being deliberately ambiguous in their terminology. Is it simply a collective name for our African American lineage or is it an official organization? The only reason IMO that they gained traction on this was because they presented it as the former, but then Yvette Cornell treats it like a club or organization that you need their permission to use or consider yourself apart of. If can't be both ways, and that being exposed has lost them a considerable number of subscribers from their youtube platforms. Jason Black pointed out yesterday how one FBA decided to created an APP called "ADOS" for our own communication, and Yvette Cornell chastised that person because she apparently needed permission from her to do so. It's become a mess that many former avid supporters have been distancing themselves from in the last two months. There have been accusations on ADOS as being a shill for the Democratic party, and even as a front for an LGBT organization (since Yvette Cornell is a Lesbian) much like "black lives matter". That's a game though! They get the momentum initially by playing the black population in general, and then funneling that energy into an LGBT agenda for LGBT gains. Hell no! If you're black and gay that's fine, but be black first. No one gives a damn about your sexual orientation (or least they shouldn't). James Baldwin was clearly gay, but he supported the black struggle, and never prioritized his sexuality into the forefront of the collective struggle. To my knowledge he was never ostracized for his sexual orientation by the black collective. That is commendable in my book. As Jason Black/The Black Authority states "Black first"/B1! Black gays are even targeted within the LGBT community, so that's a dumb alliance. The dangers of the LBGT front is shown front and center with the black lesbian Chicago mayor. She is prioritizing gay struggles over the known horrific redlining/poverty issues of the cities black and brown south and west side. The blacks in these LGBT organizations are so scorned by the rejection by some blacks that they become the enemies of our people. By being black and de-prioritization the centuries old black struggle over LGBT recognition (not even rights at this point anymore) in society they are clearly shown favor by white liberals with power. Billy Porter wearing flamboyant dresses to these Hollywood events with his white husband (wearing a suit) is a text book example. Porter despite not having any real "great" acting roles wins all of these awards, because he is a white liberal's pet. The same LGBT "community" who champions black men being extremely effeminate don't say a thing about Ed Buck and the multiple dead black men found in his home. That being said, it's cool to do what you do sexually, but keep it BLACK FIRST! I have a theory as to why whites are pushing this so heavy NOW, after the same whites essentially brought the notion of persecuting LGBT individuals into native lands all across the globe (especially Africa) they are now trying to be the face of "let gays live their lives". That's a Devil's game that they are playing. I also think that it has something to do with the recent heavy promotion of toxic femininity in this society (Lonny Love, Angela Yee, Amanda Seels, Oprah/Gale etc etc). FBA without a doubt. We need to come together to form our own narrative, and steer our own direction. Do you see how these kids are dressing, and the music that they are calling good....I'm not even 30 yet, and when I was 24 I was done with this new wave of music. They are being scattered into white people lands within the last two decades, and don't have a clue about how black American culture works when we are all together. They are lames to put it bluntly. They are getting their clues on how to be cool from white impostors on the internet, because they don't go outside and when they do many are surrounded by white faces. They do things that would have got us rode out into oblivion when we were in grade school, but because they don't have the black social pressure around them they do whatever. I think that any ethnic group like Ashanti, Wolof etc would be alarmed if this was happening to their youths. We should not blindly accept it as "times is changing" when we all see the white hand stirring the pot!Yep! That is the entire reason why blacks down in the traditional south NEVER turned up when time was needed. They are shook beyond belief of whites. I really saw this as truth, back when the Obama conspiracy theories were prevalent among the whites last decade. There was a map of a conspiracy theory of "place you don't want to be when it hits the fan" that really epitomized just how shook blacks down south still are shook; Look at the map at the 2 minute mark
Despite the black population being most concentrated in the rural south, they would never turn up. The shield their fear with religion, particularly Christianity. The fear of the state militia going Iraq on them still has them yes sirring and what not. My granddaddy was a property manager in East Atlanta back in the early 90's, and told me a story about how he got into it with the property owner who was a white man. He said that the other blacks who knew the man from living down there ducked their heads like cowards, when my granddaddy (from Louisville where we are known to turn up) was talking dirt bad to that Devil. He said one black whispered with his head ducked "Oh you's shouldn't talks to him likes that"....IN THE F*CKIN 90'S IN DEKALB COUNTY!!! It's a real fear in the deep south among the blacks despite being numerically sound. They know that those good ole boys with those p*ssy azz militias coupled with state officials are ready at any moment, and rather than getting ready themselves they for the most part (there are some down there who are about the smoke I will say) comply like wh*res.
In Tulsa however yeah, the story of how blacks said Hell naw to the bullshat, and fought back successfully is never told. It's something that we have to keep alive, or the Devils will continue to tell their bullshat narratives of that event and others.
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Post by asante on Jan 14, 2020 9:46:45 GMT -5
one that thing that I would love to hear is the Tulsa Race Riot from the FBA/ADOS view point. What are your thoughts on it re Tulsa? Open up the topic more. Have the Tulsa folk got reparations? The founders of Black Wallstreet while being "FBA"'s initially got the land through the identification as "Native Americans", and that is how they were given the land in the first place from what info has been gathered. When it comes to reparations the city of Tulsa, and the state of Oklahoma did quite on number on the initial recovery efforts following the savage attack. This did not stop North Tulsa from resurrecting itself from the ashes, and most say that it became bigger and better. What actually killed Black Wall street was the integration movements in the 60's. When Dr. Claude Anderson was on the breakfast club 3 weeks ago, Charlemagne said something interesting. He said that the only prosperous black community that we hear about, is the one in north Tulsa. Dr. Claude Anderson continued by saying that every city had a thriving black business district, which lead me to do my own research on Louisville. That lead me to this video, which is narrated by an elder remembering the layout of the historic "little Africa" district of the West End in Louisville.
On top of the decline during reconstruction, whites drove what is now the "Shawnee expressway" through much of black Africa...The historic marker for Little Africa is literally right off of the exit onto Virigina Ave The ADOS vs FBA thing is a faction split. The originators of the term "ADOS" and Foundational Black Americans (FBA) are beefing due to contention over the use of the term ADOS. The initial thought that I and many had on "ADOS" was that it was strictly a term to define our unique ethnicity as descendants of American slaves, which distinguishes us from West Indian and African immigrants. Antonio Moore and Yvette Cornell (the creators of the term) use the term ambiguously to refer to both an ethnic group, AND an organization with chapters and leaders. One of the founders of ADOS (Antonio Moore) had an issue with Tariq Nasheed who had been using the FBA term due to the latter's strict adherence to the term as an ethnic group in a New York times article, and called him out on a video one Saturday night. From that point forward an internet beef had started between the two factions, which includes other youtube figures who are referred to as "the new black media" (as opposed to old black media folks like Roland Martins) who just about all side with Tariq Nasheed such as Jason Black, The Black Authority, Boyce Watkins, Dr. Claude Anderson etc etc. There have been accusations on ADOS as being a shill for the Democratic party, and even as a front for an LGBT organization (since Yvette Cornell is a Lesbian) much like "black lives matter". This is one of the most important things that we can do as an ethnic group. It's time that we collectively rebuild these commerce centers for our people in our respective cities. I think that the core proponents of black social economic indepence/black nationalism are probably only around 2 million in population (out of the 40 million), and something like this will be a monumental event. Every city needs organizations for black professionals, or they will be sucked into the white liberal pet agenda. For example here in Louisville there are NO organizations for black accountants. This is something that I intend to change very soon, and the conference will bring light to such issues among those that you have listed. The issue with that is about a year ago when the notion of ADOS was really starting to pick up steam largely due to the endorsement of the popular Tariq Nasheed, Yvette Cornell let her pettiness and ego get in the way. When PHD Boyce Watkins came out in full support for the ADOS notion, Yvette Cornell came out and said that Boyce could not be apart of ADOS. That raised some alarm on my part. How can a person kick someone out of an ethnic group, simply because they don't like them? A Han Chinese for example cannot be kicked out of his/her ethnic group. That recreated the beef between Cornell and Watkins, and it was unnecessary not to mention confusing. It was simply not a good look for Yvette Cornell to do that, and reflected poorly on the values of the organization. Our people have to let go of these personal vendettas, especially those that obstruct the completion of collective goals. What is the true agenda of ADOS founders? Tariq has recently pointed out that some white guy is seen behind the scenes in many of the groups activities. When Moore made that video on a Saturday night about two months ago it made me cringe, because of how unnecessary it was. A personal conversation with Tariq for clarity would have resolved this rather simple issue. Instead he publicly chastised a strong ally who is well known for taking it there with these internet beefs, and now they're being ridiculed to oblivion. What was he expecting when he did that, and why was it necessary? Was Tariq's upcoming FBA conference, which has the great intentions that you've listed a threat to the reparations movement that they had latched onto? The lack of logic in the initial attack on the part of the ADOS organization screams hidden agenda to me. Yeah, the point that I wanted to magnify is the complete lack of context in the mainstream narrative of the story. For most of the century that has passed since the attack whites in Tulsa actually denied that airplanes were used. There is even a documentary where some Devil from Tulsa is saying something like "oh there were rumors that planes were used but those are unsubstantiated". What are they trying hide by denying that known fact? It only makes sense that they are trying to hide the fact that the white civilians got there asses beat during the initial battles in the short race war. Those Devils thought that they were big and bad, and were just gonna run up into Tulsa and "teach us a lesson", but they got f***ed up all night long in their failed attempts to do so. As a result of the big bad white citizens getting f***ed up all night long, they had to get city and state officials including the police and Oklahoma national guard involved in their battles. In the books that I've read written by white authors, so much didn't make sense by them not putting context to the facts that there were numerous battles. They tried to consolidate the entire event to include the ultimate destruction of North Tulsa, because they never wanted to acknowledge that the blacks collectively won 2 of the three battles. The books focused on the atrocities committed by cowardly whites on lone or small groups of black OUTSIDE of North Tulsa. That included cowardly acts like those Devils mutilating a black cripple who was a regular begger in downtown Tulsa. They always talk about "a white mob of 10,000 ran loose in Tulsa", when even in the books that I've read on the event that white mob that came in at 5 am was not able to move an inch due to the organized black resistance. Why would they need airplanes and the national guard THE NEXT MORNING if the white ground combatants were effective? Like the man in the video said the blacks won the initial battles against the failed lynch mob that tried to run across the rail road tracks, and so they called a military force to use new war techniques on that black civilian population. It was a cowardly act to call for help from officials on the part of the big bad white civilians who were gonna "put the N*ggers in their place". They don't want that part of the story known, because it's encouraging to other blacks who are going through their own respective struggles against these Devils, with the constant threat of a race war against us. The blacks of Columbia Tennessee had a similar incident in the 1940's. They were under attack, and turned up against the white attackers against the business district. Sniping them from roof tops until again the National guard came in, and arrested the black defenders. This is when Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall made his name as a lawyer defending those black defenders. Agreed!
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Post by asante on Jan 11, 2020 18:47:23 GMT -5
Black resistance to white bullshit is deliberately hidden from the history books, and sadly tends to only be passed down orally among family or localized communities. "Even though it's not technically the "Red Summer", one that thing that I would love to hear is the Tulsa Race Riot from the FBA/ADOS view point. I say that because in my research I notice that this shit is like porn to the recessives (the authors of the books I've read) when you let them tell it. Then there is a clear dispute in who actually won the real race riot.
Pay close attention to what the black man says around the 10:10 minute mark.
So apparently there were three battles.
The first battle - At the courthouse is where they were about the lynch Dick Rowland, and a brigade of black men (ex WWI soldiers) from North Tulsa came to help protect Dick from the lynch mob. One little short old Devil tried to talk shit, and degrade a black man by trying to seize his gun. When the gun went off in the struggle that little Devil died and the fight was on. In that scene despite being outnumbered there more whites that died than blacks. The second battle - the blacks who went to the courthouse retreated to Greenwood past the border marked by the railroad tracks, where the battle pretty much stayed the entire night. That right there is a victory that is not told. The white lynch mob from the courthouse who wanted the smoke were getting blown out of their shoes trying to get into Greenwood, and had to retreat. The third battle - After news broke of the recessives getting their asses beat the punk ass mayor of the town met with the other Klansman/ Oklahoma national guard who set up a 10,000 man army to assemble at border of the town. They cut off the roads, and attacked at around either 4 or 6 am when a train whistle blew. Now even with that army and the blacks themselves only being around 10,000 in population those Devils did not move an inch until the bitches started bombing from the air (which was a new war technique from the recent war, and had never been done to US citizens). Once that new war technique was implemented, the Devils went block by block terrorizing, looting and rounding up our people.
The ones who really fought back were burned alive at the expo center in Tulsa. They made all of the blacks live in tents for over a year."
On the Tulsa Race Riots, the story of Peg Leg Taylor who caught so many white bodies...that he had to load them in wagons and dump them in the river to avoid the post riot blow back on the POW's. "Arriving at the courthouse, this group of armed blacks, numbering about seventy-five, was greeted by a white mob numbering in the thousands. The level of tension and hysteria was rapidly rising. Representatives of the black group were allowed to enter the fortified courthouse where Sheriff McCollough assured them no lynching would take place. Apparently assured by the Sheriff’s defensive preparations they left the building and were preparing to go back to Greenwood when the spark was lit.
According to the version heard by Robert Fairchild, the white approached a tall black veteran who was carrying an Army issue .45-caliber and said
, what are you doing with that pistol?”
“I’m going to use it if I need to,” came the reply. “No, you will give it to me.”
The white man attempted to disarm the veteran and a shot was fired. Sheriff McCullough stated from that moment “the race war was on and I was powerless to stop it.” (7)
A prolonged gun fight broke out as the blacks withdrew toward Greenwood and Archer. Block by block the fighting continued into the wee hours of the morning. At one point the battle raged around the train station, which was held as a fortress by black defenders for an extended period of time. With the bodies of white attackers scattered through the streets, the blacks retreated into Greenwood. This overnight fighting is usually ignored or skimmed over in the stories of the Tulsa “riot.” Far from being helpless victims, Tulsa’s black population fought with brutal efficiency against the white invaders. It is not hard to imagine this defense was pre-planned, or at least theorized before the shots began firing. Regarding the “helpless victim,” mythology,
W.D. Williams has disputed this assumption, citing as evidence the large number of whites which he saw get shot by black snipers as they attempted to invade “Deep Greenwood.” The Oklahoma City ‘Black Dispatch’ of 10 June, 1921, reported it had received a letter from “a prominent Negro in the city of Tulsa” who stated that “from what he could learn on the ground, about one-hundred were killed, equally divided between the two races.” (8)
Scattered fighting occurred throughout the night as thousands of white men gathered at several points in the city. They exchanged and distributed ammunition among themselves and the word was passed on: they would attack at dawn. Some were too excited to wait and five men in an automobile tried spur the crowd to action in early morning darkness.
When the crowd did not budge the men tore off alone toward Deep Greenwood. A few hours later, when the attack finally came, their five bodies were found slumped inside their car, rifles still pointed out the windows, the bullet-riddled carcass of the Franklin smoking in the middle of Archer street. (9)
A large number of casualities among the white invaders is very much in line with what the ABB Tulsa post Commander wrote in “The Crusader”: the majority of black deaths were noncombatants, people who burned to death in their houses or the unarmed who were shot by the white mob. On the “front,” however (which is approximated by the train tracks at Greenwood and Archer), it was another dynamic entirely. The Commander wrote:
The defense of Greenwood may be overlooked in the history books, but it has entered black folklore. The story is told how “Peg-Leg” Taylor, another veteran of World War I, had spent the afternoon shoplifting ammunition from downtown hardware stores. Armed with a .30-30 rifle and a shotgun he had assumed tactical positions throughout the night -fighting, keeping the white combatants at bay while stores were looted for arms and ammunition by his comrades. As dawn broke and a whistle sounded, a mass of white attackers charged across the tracks into Greenwood. While the ABB snipers shot it out with the white mob around the church, Taylor held a defensive position on a hill, six blocks from First Street on the north side. “He shot round after round of bullets for six hours. He did so much damage that the whites figured the Negroes had reinforcements.” The story of Taylor is still well-known in north Tulsa, and completely forgotten in the rest of the city."
HARD CRACKERS- The African Blood Brotherhood and The Short-Lived Civil War in TulsaMore on Pegleg Taylor www.angelfire.com/ab7/tulsa/intro.html
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Post by asante on Jan 2, 2020 14:58:34 GMT -5
Great articles!
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Post by asante on Dec 23, 2019 14:51:56 GMT -5
The identification of the "Bantu" predates modern categorization, as it is seen inscribed in ancient Kemet.
BATU, THE BANTU (General Niger-Congo Speakers)
By Ferg Somo
For the first time ever the set of hieroglyphics above leaves an indelible print which traces back the existence of the Bantu people during ancient times in the Sudan and Kemet. The following variations in pronunciation of the word 'Bantu' give an insight on how the word may have been pronounced in different Bantu languages. The list of the various pronunciations was provided by Israel Ntangazwa. Some of the variations in pronunciation are new to me.
SOME VARIATIONS IN PRONUNCIATION OF THE WORD 'BANTU' THE PEOPLE BANTU, BATU, ATHO, WATU, ATU, ACHO, BOT, BANU, BANHU, ADU
The hieroglyphics shown above spells out the word 'BATU' in keeping with the current original word 'BANTU'. The maps shown below trace the possible migrations of the Bantu people. The origin of the Bantu people is a controversial issue and has been deeply debated.
Below is an account which questions present day ideas about the origins of the Bantu people. In his book on the 'Restatement Of Bantu Origin and Meru History' the Kenyan scholar Alfred M M'Imanyara provides the evidence for a southerly migration from Kemet of the Bantu people.
THE NIGER- CONGO HYPOTHESIS
The Niger-Congo hypothesis developed by Joseph Greenberg on Bantu languages state that the Bantu originated in West Africa, the Cameroon, and migrated across the Congo basin into Southern and East Africa.
Guthrie on the other hand did not commit himself but said that the Bantu dispersal lies within an elliptical area towards the centre, in the woodland region of Katanga.
The Niger-Congo hypothesis needs to be re-examined further as one has to take into account oral traditions from groups of present day Kenyan Bantu elders who recall a southerly migration from Kemet. Read more: egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1547/valley-origins-dispersal-niger-speakers#ixzz68xfVbLsW
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Post by asante on Dec 23, 2019 11:01:50 GMT -5
Umar J. has 1.3 million views on the Breakfast club with an over 9-1 like to dislike ratio. The swirlers, the hipster whites, and disgruntled homosexuals are fuming and trolling at a whole new level over the positive reception that this man has among blacks (and people across racial lines even...).
"SHE MUST BE AFRICAN"...."I DON'T VOTE FOR BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT MARRIED TO BLACK PEOPLE"...RESPEK!!!
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