Post by asante on Mar 23, 2019 1:40:07 GMT -5
Well you may run into trouble with the nationalists
Who are the "nationalist" Zaharan?
because they will point out 2 big holes in your framework right away. First- a Christ figure is one who is both divine
and human essence, and who does a sacrificial work that brings in salvation for a lost, sinful humanity.
and human essence, and who does a sacrificial work that brings in salvation for a lost, sinful humanity.
Bes fits neither framework. Furthermore since BES is a god, and his nature is thus
not human, or he has no human essence. Human essence means actually of that essence, and permanently retaining than essence, not merely assuming a temporary disguise.
No the fact the Twa deities predate any of the later deities seen in Hapi Valley civilization is one that has been stated by several master teachers, and I believe Dr. Ben was one of them. Here is an exert also stating this
"The Color of Man
The oldest known fossil remains, were found in the Olduvai Gorge region in Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania. These first people have been known to "Twa", who worshipped the God Bes, a primiry Horus I, the earliest form of Ptah-the God of Gods.
It is generally conceded in most scholarly circles, that mankind originated in Africa. This makes the African man the father, and the African woman the mother of mankind.
By necessity, the earliest people were ethnically homogeneous and Negroid. Gloger's Law, which would also be applicable to human beings, which would be warmed up by a warm-blooded animal that would have a dark pigment (eumelanin). Hence, if mankind originated in the tropics around the latitude of the great lakes, it was bound to have brown pigmentation from the beginning and it was differentiated in other climates than the original one.
According to Cheikh Anta Diop, "the color black acts as a protection of the organism." We know scientifically, that ultra-violet rays would have destroyed in the equatorial regions, if the organism had not been protected by black pigmentation, that is Melanin. fact. "
Louis Leakey, the oldest known fossil remains, were found in the Olduvai Gorge region in Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania. These first "small" people have been known as the "Twa", who worshipped the God Bes, a primitive human form of Horus I, being the earliest form of Ptah-the God of Gods.
We also find this same black God, Ptah, symbolized in the mystery system in Egypt. The Twa is said to be one thousand miles from the Nile River, establishing what was later to become the Egyptian civilization.
According to Manetho, the first dynasty was established by Menes (or Narmer), about 5500 BC, when Menes conquered Lower Egypt, both upper and lower Egypt. This alliance of the red and white crowns of the two countries has been joined, and Menes inherited the double diadem, becoming the first Pharaoh of the world."
The pineal framework seems to be based on Hindu concepts
Zaharan you can't be serious. You're saying that the pineal gland is "Hindu" (you're pretending as though major elements of "Hindu" culture were not transplanted from the Hapi Valley), as though the eye of Horus is not a metaphor for the organ in your brain...I'm not here to play that Zaharan...Why in the Hell would you say that the Eye of Heru and it's functionality is not important...
I don’t get this pineal gland thing though because all humans have a pineal gland.
"Most whites have calcified pineal glands which thwarts Melatonin
production, thereby limiting their moral capacity. Located in the brain,
the tiny pineal & pituitary glands regulate the body's other glands.
Esoteric tradition regards the area of these glands as the third eye, seat of the soul, and the mystical Uraeus represented by the cobra on the forehead of Egyptian royalty/crowns. Why did Africans view the European
as a child of God, but the Europeans viewed the African as a soulless
savage? Because of "melatonin," described as a mentally & morally
stimulating humanizing hormone produced by the pineal gland. Scientific
research reveals that most whites are unable to produce much melatonin
because their pineal glands are often calcified and nonfunctional.
Pineal calcification rates with Africans is 5-15%; Asians - 15-25%;
Europeans 60-80% This is the chemical basis for the cultural differences
between Blacks and whites, causing some Black scholars to raise the
question that the European approach, that of the logical, erect, rigid,
anti-feeling posture, reflects a left brain orientation and reflects that
they lack the chemical key of melatonin to turn on their unconscious and
therefore cannot get into feelings. Carol Barnes writes "Melanin is
responsible for the existence of civilization, philosophy, religion,
truth, justice, and righteousness. Individuals (whites) containing low
levels of Melanin will behave in a barbaric manner." Melanin give
humans the ability to FEEL because it is the absorber of all frequencies
of energy. Dr. Welsing writes "Since melanin is a superior absorber of
all energy , it is essential to establish this understanding of God and
'all energy.' The fact that the albinos (whites) lack melanin may also
help to explain ...why, in the view of many non-white peoples, they
(whites) lack 'spirituality" and the capacity to tune in to, and thereby
establish harmony and justice..."
But what do you mean by a drop in universal consciousness?
The Devil puts the truth in cartoons. The radiating effects of the all seeing eye is depicted in this children's cartoon at around 22:40. The Emerald Tablets of Thot also mentions the replacement of higher consciousness (Niburu) with a star that essentially isn't shit around 19:40.
They are speaking on the fall of universal consciousness in man that was apparently the wave that was ridden during the Atlantean stage (from which Nubia and Kemet were satellite colonies) of humanity.
That is a metaphor. Egyptian mythology is all metaphor not to be taken literally
Not necessarily. The Egyptians considered many of there concepts to be literal realities.
Zaharan...If we just agreed that Horus and Set (two Kemetic mythological deities) were not literal living characters, but rather reflections of the higher and lower chakras, then doesn't that prove my point about Egyptian mythology being metaphoric? What are you trying to argue? Make it make sense Zaharan. One minute the Kemites are intelligent enough to tell stories through telling another story, then the next they are forgetting the story behind the story and taking it literally?
There would be a judgement by a supreme force, that would render to all according to their deeds.
Most pharaohs took this seriously and made elaborate preparations. Many tomb walls are filled with
with spells or incantations, and protective measures designed to meet the challenge after one
passed beyond this lifes portal.
There was no separation between the living and the dead during ancient times. The pharaoh kept the portal alive, as the "Gate Keeper".
Hell was not merely a metaphorical thing for them, It was a literal
place of real suffering, not in flesh, since that would be gone on physical death,
This is different from the Hinduist approach many are using with its impersonal karmic cycles of
indefinite death and rebirth...The systems, that of Kemet and that of the Hindus, are distinctly different.
The Sphinx is a representation of Hindu beliefs based on what we agreed it's true meaning is. The higher and lower self being represented by the Lion's body, and humans head. Think about in Hindu culture if you are living on the lower chakras you can potentially come back as a beast/animal, and the beast/lion represents the lower nature of humans. The higher nature is shown on the top half of the body, where the higher chakras are located. In the end both Kemetic and Hindu beliefs center around the awakening of the third eye or pineal gland, plain and simple.
In fact it's seen throughout all ancient civilizations, because all of the them (save a few after the second millennium BC) stem from the African Hapi Valley populations;
The worship is not just in Hindu culture, but seen across the entire globe. I'm not going to have this conversation with you, if you're going to act slow to these facts.
OK I see where you are coming from, but given that the pharaohs were political figures-
with all the faults and features of political figures- lying, cheating, oppression of
the masses etc etc, how could they be exemplary figures deserving of godhood or divinity?
Are you really that confused? The higher and lower nature is seen in all humans. It is those who master it there way, who were blessed with the all seeing eye.
Well the San are a very ancient African people with a past foothold in most parts of the continent.
With that being said, you know that those hunter gatherer folks do not keep adequate records for other people to analyze to find the answers that you were asking....You asked how would we know if they have reached that stage of consciousness, and I had to say why in the Hell would you even ask me that question knowing the facts that I've just stated about them...Silly arse games I'm not going to entertain.
When the pharaohs of Kemet are considered, it can be seen that for the most part, or primarily
(despite some exceptions) it is mostly they, the politically powerful, or wealthy or influential,
the celebrities or elites of the day, that attain to the ascended state, not the ordinary man.
How does your framework deal with the matter of elitism? Elitism in this life that carries over
to the next? How is it that a pharaoh lying, cheating etc etc gets to have an angelic glow and
heavenly acclaim, but the poor and downtrodden who may have been more pious get only chump change
or more drudgery on the other side? How would this be a proper result in a moral universe
supposedly based on truth and justice?
What is the basis for one to become elite in the first place? Is the enlightenment of that individual what throws people to him/her to make them "elite" in the first place. As far as "lying" "cheating" pharaohs I'm not going to take an white person's interpretation of "Egyptology" to judge the character of one of our ancestors (save the whole battle of Kadesh bs). These people only recognize Kemet's greatness because it's in their face. They would readily credit any non African civilization over Kemet given the slightest chance. But anyway..