DNA results Rameses III shows African haplogroup

[zarahan]

"Ramses" is a well-recognized name- it even appears in the Bible
for a city, but the 12th dynasty is also an interesting one..

[amunratheultimate]

Ancient Egyptians and Nubians are two related ethnic groups.   The 12th Dynasty was founded by Amenemhat I who was Nubian or at least part Nubian. 

Extract from the Prophecy of Neferti :

Then a king will come from the South ,

Ameny, the justified, by name [Ameny, nickname for Amenemhat I]
Son of a woman of Ta-Seti , child of Upper Egypt.

He will take the white crown,
He will wear the red crown;
He will join the Two Mighty Ones..
Rejoice, O people of his time,
The son of man will make his name for all eternity! ..

Asiatics will fall to his sword,
Libyans will fall to his flame,
Rebels to his wrath, traitors to his might,
As the serpent on his brow subdues the rebels for him.

One will build the Walls-of-the-Ruler
To bar Asiatics from entering Egypt

[zarahan]

What do you have on early Kerma links?

[grandcrusader]

I want to share this news.

[nebsen]

Dec 23, 2012 22:46:58 GMT -5 zarahan said:

Dec 22, 2012 20:20:51 GMT -5 djoser-xyyman said:

Agreed too many bros are still stuck on Diop and George James. They haven't moved beyond that.

My brother, blood, gets pissed when I show up the short coming of James, Diop and especially Van Sertima.

Indeed. I find opposition eases when you show them how the new
findings support important parts of Diop, James and van Sertima.

Sorry but I'm late to this discussion . I do understand about going beyond Diop, Van Sertima, etc. but who would you suggest that one read today who is bringing this discussion into the 21 century ? Mind you I'm not just talking about persons of African descent , but any one who is moving this discussion forward with Africa as a basis for ancient Egyptian peoples & civilization ?

[samuel]

Hi. In new to this website but have been reading about this for two weeks now non stop. I'm writing from my cell phone so I can't cut and paste etc. Anyway I am a white Jewish male, and have always known that the ancient Egyptians were black. I've been to Egypt once right after 9/11. I was on a tour with a French group. I am American but lived in France for 6 years. Anyway the tour guide at the museum said they were painted black because it was the first step in the afterlife and that they are not that color. I knew to myself that she was wrong. I have been following this theme now for maybe 20 years and I am 36 now. Only doing research on the internet all summer long and I found out by looking on the Wikipedia website. Which I now know is a very Eurocentric website because of their biased and attempts at distorting the information on this. I am referring to Ramses Iii Dna. I read the same page from Wikipedia I. French and it said ".his DNA is e1b1a which is a sub saharan haplotypr but looking at this mummy we can clearly see he is caucasoid. ". Why haven't they made a big deal about this? Some sites say under Google search famous people s haplotypes they show Ramses and Nelson Mandela under e1b1a. But 23andme only shows one African man. I forget his name. It's really funny all these new movies about Egypt come out right when this discovery was made. Unbelievable. With all the white actors. I mean they have proof now that the rulers were black African. Then on PBS they come out with "the black pharaohs of Egypt." I'm thinking they are finally going to admit it. But it's about one dynasty and makes it seem as if none of the original pharaohs were black. This is PBS mind you so an upper class network feeding these lies. Maybe like you guys said in one of he posts y all wrote they are throwing a bone. Hopefully in time this will change.

[samuel]

Anybody with a good education in history, art history, anthropology can see that the AE were black. I've always known that. What I didn't know though was that they were related to west Africans. I always assumed they were East African in blood and genes. Most Americans are stupid though and don't even know the difference between east Africa and west Africans. What upsets me though is how I could have even missed this data especially when I am always doing research on the Internet for this subject. I found out by reading Black Egyptian hypothesis on Wikipedia. Where of course it is downplayed.

[samuel]

So I am reading other blogs on this subject and I find it hilarious how everyone stresses the fact that his father was an "usurper". As if that will lessen the blow to eurocentrics that he was black. Da Nile is not a river in Africa. Lol. It's amazing the power of denial. But denial is the first step in loss. Eventually comes acceptance.

[samuel]

This is what used to be on Wikipedia from reading the translated French version Wikipedia. Fr. They have since revised this because it sounds so stupid.


This was originally thought to be a West African specific haplogroup, however this has changed within the last few years. An influx of people, who identify themselves as Caucasian, are showing up with this haplogroup. This theory was eventually proven fact when the Pharaoh Ramses/ Ramesses III was determined to be E1b1a. Ramses’ father, Userkhaure-setepenre Setnakhte (or Setnakht) was the first king of the 20th dynasty and a “usurper” to the throne. Most likely he was of paternal Berber lineage.

Clearly, he was not of sub-Saharan African origin. We know now the progenitor of the E1b1a lineage was a Caucasoid phenotype. The E1b1a haplogroup is spread among the peoples of Northern and Western Africa, but several haplotypes of Europeans, who have E1b1a, do not have Black African ancestry. These haplotypes are elder lines in the tree, and are becoming more frequent among Italian, Maltese, Spanish, Portuguese, French and British men. Many still claim this is due to the Arab slave trade, but those taken during this time were exclusively female for the ruling classes’ harems. Hence, any argument regarding a Y chromosome is null, as Y is only passed along male-to-male lines.

This branch of the E haplogroup lineage, E-Z365, was born in North Africa about 15,000 years ago. As the Sahara dried, many of the E1b1a lineage migrated south into sub-Saharan Africa, while the Caucasoid branch (E-Z365) remained in North Africa. More recently, some of our relatives took part in the spread across much of Southern and Central Europe. This is evident by three SNPs discovered (Z148, Z191, and Z365) which do not exist in sub-Saharan Africans or their descendants.

[anansi]

Oct 3, 2015 21:53:04 GMT -5 samuel said:

This is what used to be on Wikipedia from reading the translated French version Wikipedia. Fr. They have since revised this because it sounds so stupid.


This was originally thought to be a West African specific haplogroup, however this has changed within the last few years. An influx of people, who identify themselves as Caucasian, are showing up with this haplogroup. This theory was eventually proven fact when the Pharaoh Ramses/ Ramesses III was determined to be E1b1a. Ramses’ father, Userkhaure-setepenre Setnakhte (or Setnakht) was the first king of the 20th dynasty and a “usurper” to the throne. Most likely he was of paternal Berber lineage.

Clearly, he was not of sub-Saharan African origin. We know now the progenitor of the E1b1a lineage was a Caucasoid phenotype. The E1b1a haplogroup is spread among the peoples of Northern and Western Africa, but several haplotypes of Europeans, who have E1b1a, do not have Black African ancestry. These haplotypes are elder lines in the tree, and are becoming more frequent among Italian, Maltese, Spanish, Portuguese, French and British men. Many still claim this is due to the Arab slave trade, but those taken during this time were exclusively female for the ruling classes’ harems. Hence, any argument regarding a Y chromosome is null, as Y is only passed along male-to-male lines.

This branch of the E haplogroup lineage, E-Z365, was born in North Africa about 15,000 years ago. As the Sahara dried, many of the E1b1a lineage migrated south into sub-Saharan Africa, while the Caucasoid branch (E-Z365) remained in North Africa. More recently, some of our relatives took part in the spread across much of Southern and Central Europe. This is evident by three SNPs discovered (Z148, Z191, and Z365) which do not exist in sub-Saharan Africans or their descendants.

Samuel do your self a favor, when researching African or Africana especially concerning Kemet studies pls do not use Wiki as Stormfront types will go in and edit studies,staff member Zarahan had busted them many a times doing this, so unless you know exactly what you are looking for and needed a quote that you already know but need to copy and paste don't use them.

Last time I checked the Caucasus were in Eurasia so how can anyone called a Caucasian originated in Africa.

Here is what one of the premier scientist on the subject you can go directly  to youtube to view the entire lecture. 

[samuel]

You misunderstand what I was posting. I was laughing at what WAS written on Wikipedia. They have revised it though. I know that this used to be written because it was the same information on the French Wikipedia. I found this one in English on an old post on a diifernt blog.

[samuel]

I love it.

[melanitex]

I just don't understand how Ramses III can be E1b1a and not E1b1b, as E1b1a is mostly concentrated in West and South Africa and E1b1b is MUCH much closer to Egypt and the rest of North Africa.

Here's one thing I don't get too. If AE was an out growth of the South as people here have attested shouldn't they be genetically linked with A Haplogroup carriers like Nilo-Saharan, Nilotic Populations like the Dinka Shilluk Nuer and E1b1b Horners like Ethiopians and other Cushites???

How the hell did E1b1a carries end up in Sudan and Egypt???

I mean even linguistically the Ancient Egyptian language is classified as Afro Asiatic the majority of whom tend to located either in the Horn of Africa or North Africa

Then to make things even more confusing when we look at populations in Northern Cameroon like the Oduleme and Fula, as well as Chadic populations like the Hausa and some Toureg in Niger apparently they carry R1b Haplogroup.

Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated.

[samuel]

Look at where the Nile originates from then work backward from there. The real question is why are there no e1b1a in Sudan today??
Linguistically all African languages are related. They don't know for certain that AE was even Afro Asiatic. That's just extrapolation.

[melanitex]

Jun 1, 2016 22:38:59 GMT -5 samuel said:

Look at where the Nile originates from then work backward from there. The real question is why are there no e1b1a in Sudan today??
Linguistically all African languages are related. They don't know for certain that AE was even Afro Asiatic. That's just extrapolation.

That's my question entirely E1b1a is quite rare in Sudan from what I read as most of the Nilotic Groups are not E1b1a but A and B carriers I was hoping some of the more experienced guys here a ES could help. If AE culture was an out source and a biological colony of Sudan then Sudan should be beaming with E1b1a carriers right? This is why I question Rameses III and the Egyptians in general being E1b1a 

As for the linguistic point with all due respect the best scholars are saying AE Language in grammar and morphology is Afro-Asiatic so until a greater scholar comes out and completely destroys that I gotta roll with it.....