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Post by zarahan on Dec 19, 2012 0:24:41 GMT -5
Profile on the Nile"Genetic kinship analyses revealed identical haplotypes in both mummies (table 1); using the Whit Athey’s haplogroup predictor, we determined the Y chromosomal haplogroup E1b1a. The testing of polymorphic autosomal microsatellite loci provided similar results in at least one allele of each marker (table 2)."--Hawass et al 2012. Revisiting the harem conspiracy and death of Ramesses III. British Medical Journal, BMJ2012;345:e8268 Haplogroup E1b1a (now known as E-M2) is an
African DNA group, most commonly found in sub-Saharan Africa QUOTE: " Haplogroup E1b1 now contains two basal branches, E-V38 (E1b1a) and E-M215 (E1b1b), with V38/V100 joining the two previously separated lineages E-M2 (former E1b1a) and E-M329 (former E1b1c). Each of these two lineages has a peculiar geographic distribution. E-M2 is the most common haplogroup in sub-Saharan Africa, with frequency peaks in western (about 80%) and central Africa (about 60%)."--Trombetta et al 2011. A New Topology of the Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup E1b1 (E-P2) PLoS ONE 6(1): e16073. 
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Post by zarahan on Dec 19, 2012 0:30:44 GMT -5
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 20, 2012 19:46:44 GMT -5
Ramesses III is believed to have reigned from March 1186 to April 1155 BC.
For a reign of 31 years. During his long tenure in the midst of the surrounding political chaos of the Greek Dark Ages, Egypt was beset by foreign invaders (including the so-called Sea Peoples and the Libyans).
In Year 8 of his reign, the Sea Peoples, including Peleset, Denyen, Shardana, Meshwesh of the sea, and Tjekker, invaded Egypt by land and sea. Ramesses III defeated them in two great land and sea battles. Although the Egyptians had a reputation as poor seamen they fought tenaciously. Rameses lined the shores with ranks of archers who kept up a continuous volley of arrows into the enemy ships when they attempted to land on the banks of the Nile. Then the Egyptian navy attacked using grappling hooks to haul in the enemy ships. In the brutal hand to hand fighting which ensued, the Sea People were utterly defeated. The Harris Papyrus state:
As for those who reached my frontier, their seed is not, their heart and their soul are finished forever and ever. As for those who came forward together on the seas, the full flame was in front of them at the Nile mouths, while a stockade of lances surrounded them on the shore, prostrated on the beach, slain, and made into heaps from head to tail
Ramesses III was also compelled to fight invading Libyan tribesmen in two major campaigns in Egypt's Western Delta in his Year 6 and Year 11 respectively.
The heavy cost of these battles slowly exhausted Egypt's treasury and contributed to the gradual decline of the Egyptian Empire in Asia.
More notably, Ramesses began the reconstruction of the Temple of Khonsu at Karnak from the foundations of an earlier temple of Amenhotep III and completed the Temple of Medinet Habu around his Year 12.[21] He decorated the walls of his Medinet Habu temple with scenes of his Naval and Land battles against the Sea Peoples.
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Post by anansi on Dec 20, 2012 23:35:28 GMT -5
X man could you repost the link again this one went no where http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com....6#ixzz2FdvESB7d
And I am interested in the last of the Rameside rulers also especially the year of the Hyena, will post something on that.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 21, 2012 21:51:34 GMT -5
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 21, 2012 22:08:47 GMT -5
This one worked for me. cracs.fc.up.pt/popaffiliator/index.phpPlug in the STR above. I am getting >93% sub-saharan. Note ; at least 10 is needed. For the remaining two plug in any two random values. Irregardless the result is undoubtedly sub-saharan. Just as with the Amarnas. The San Diego Police website will describe the owners of these STRs as (Black) African American male. |
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Post by zarahan on Dec 21, 2012 22:21:25 GMT -5
now we can take raw data and manipulate it!!.
Never knew all this info was out there.
^^Excellent. Whatever you find, I suggest- summarize, summarize, summarize.
Break it down in clear, concise explanations that can be quickly grasped.
We need this more than ever with the up to date research we are compiling.
Last Black History Month I kept running into too many cats who have not moved
beyond Diop 1974- or George James circa 1957- fine as they go but dated.
The current info needs to be broken down so that the man on the street can
get the gist real fast. Once they are hooked then more detailed study will follow.
Keep up the good work!
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 22, 2012 20:20:51 GMT -5
Agreed too many bros are still stuck on Diop and George James. They haven't moved beyond that.
My brother, blood, gets pissed when I show up the short coming of James, Diop and especially Van Sertima.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 22, 2012 20:40:36 GMT -5
For the Newbies. ....
Simply,,,,STRs are genetic markers used by experts that gives them an idea of the populaion affinity of the person tested. In other words who they most likely look like.
There are 10-18 STRs that are used depending on the orginization doing the testing. Most law enforcement authorities , forensic scientist and researchers world-wide use an agreed set of markers. All of the 8 STRs above are inclusive plus more. The STRs are used by forensic authorities give the authorities an idea of what the person(or victim or suspect) looks like. Many of these software are freely available on the web.
Just plug in the STRs and ...bingo!!!, you have a general idea of what the (unknown) person most likely looks like.
Most agree a minimum of 10 STRs are needed. I believe the Canadian authorities uses 9 STRs.
Of course the larger the database the more accurate the picture.
The software I used above doesn't separate out which sub-saharan group Rameses III belongs to.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Dec 23, 2012 12:01:27 GMT -5
For the Newbies. .... Simply,,,,STRs are genetic markers used by experts that gives them an idea of the populaion affinity of the person tested. In other words who they most likely look like. There are 10-18 STRs that are used depending on the orginization doing the testing. Most law enforcement authorities , forensic scientist and researchers world-wide use an agreed set of markers. All of the 8 STRs above are inclusive plus more. The STRs are used by forensic authorities give the authorities an idea of what the person(or victim or suspect) looks like. Many of these software are freely available on the web. Just plug in the STRs and ...bingo!!!, you have a general idea of what the (unknown) person most likely looks like. Most agree a minimum of 10 STRs are needed. I believe the Canadian authorities uses 9 STRs. Of course the larger the database the more accurate the picture. The software I used above doesn't separate out which sub-saharan group Rameses III belongs to. I really appreciate the aknowledgement that a lot of this information needs to be put in layman's terms and I appreciate your attempt to brake it down. I know if can be difficult when you have a certain knowledge base because you've been in it so long its like second nature, but what comes easy for you you is very challenging for the rest of us because we don't have the background. o for us, its like starting from day one. For example I'm still confused about strs. I don't understand how they could tell what a person actually looks like. Do you mean that they can tell which population a person is most closely related to? For example, my father looks almost white, but his paternal DNA says that he is of Central African descent. Some of his brothers and sisiters on the other hand look unmistakably of African descent. So are the STRs the markers that identify his family as having origins in Central Africa? Also when you say there are 18 STRs used does this mean that each STR corresponds to a different population in a certain geographic location? So for exampele STR# 3 = a certain poipulation located in a certain region? If so, which STRs are asociated with which continent? The table given is also confusing. What do the codes mean for example: D13S317. And what do the numbers 9*; 12 mean? Without this knowledge the average person will never be able to interprit the information given. I know it's a lot to ask to distill into layman's lerms what's taken you a long time to learn, but any attempt would help or even if you could point people in the direction of how to learn this stuff would help. |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 23, 2012 21:33:12 GMT -5
I am a student at this myself but...
STRs are simply another word for genes.
Alleles are also genes, SNP are genes, etc.
STRs are "type" of genes eg car vs pickup vs motorcycle vs Trailer. All are automobiles.
D13S317, D7S820, etc are the "names" of these STRs.
Now since an individual get a set of genes from his/her mother AND father there are TWO quantities. eg D13S317, 9 and 12 for Rameses. Maybe 9 from his mother and 12 from his father....or vice versa. Doesn't matter. These are values/quantity.
Keep in mind all "races/population" have exactly the same STRs. The difference is the "values/quanity". eg ,D13S317 Asian may have values of 22/24 instead of 9/12 .
This is why there are no "races" since all humans have the same STRs. Populations differ in the quantity. Keep in mind there may be 100's or 1000's of STRs but it is only about 8-18 specific ones that researchers have agreed are characteristic of regional populations. The eight cited above pretty standard. eg see Amarna STRs.
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 23, 2012 21:52:44 GMT -5
STRs = Short Tandem Repeats . the important thing to remember here is that "repeats' is amt of a short code that is repeated.
Groups of people from a certain geographic region typically have the same amt of repeats.
BTW - For the record, I am not sure genetics reserach are really that advanced. They are still unable to determine a gene for wide nose, height, thick lips , thin lips etc. LOL! They have advanced a good ways with skin pigmentation but still not entirely sure. Skin pigmentation is determined by 8 genes, at last count. Africans carry all eight. Europeans and/or Asians typically lack some.
Point is - , as for your father, they are still unsure how this gene thing work. LOL!!!That is why we have to look past the superficial. Look below the skin. Most people within close geographic proximity will carry similar genes.
That why it is no suprise that Rameses carry sub-saharan STRs. It is absurd for him to carry European lineage or STRs....irregardless of what he looks like.
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Post by zarahan on Dec 23, 2012 22:46:58 GMT -5
Agreed too many bros are still stuck on Diop and George James. They haven't moved beyond that. My brother, blood, gets pissed when I show up the short coming of James, Diop and especially Van Sertima. Indeed. I find opposition eases when you show them how the new findings support important parts of Diop, James and van Sertima. |
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Post by djoser-xyyman on Dec 25, 2012 11:11:10 GMT -5
This may be helpful to some ![]() [/img] Attachments:
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Post by pristy on Dec 27, 2012 15:32:19 GMT -5
Wow, this is very good news, the truth is coming to light, I'm very surprised at Zahi Hawass allowing the results to be published.
Now we need more gene test on many more mummies as well as melanin test.
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