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Post by zarahan on Dec 30, 2018 14:14:22 GMT -5
Africurious sid:
There’s nothing wrong with arguing ideas provided all parties are discussing things honestly, amicably and seeking knowledge. You’re dishonest, love to twist things to set up strawman arguments and just argue for arguments sake. All this time I thought Takruri was overreacting when he recently said these things about you as I didn’t follow the exchange between you 2 in-depth.
1st you purposely misquote me to suit your ends. I now know it was purposely done.
Now you’re purposely claiming I’m arguing things I didn’t. I said the stat was bogus and my article focused on showing the stat was bogus so how on earth would the article contradict my claim? Then you went on to post link to an article with stat that my article directly debunked. I don’t like liars or fakers. I’m done talking with you about this.
Nothing is "twisted." I called out your dubious claim that past complaints are irrelevant
plus your dubious claim that the very same article you quoted is "worded incorrectly."
Let's look at your own allegedly "misquoted" quotation- quote:
You quote your own referenced article:
Fashion - Blacks spent more on women and girls fashions than non-black consumers combined, and almost twice as much on footwear. Expenditure on men's gear was about the same compared to non-blacks combined.
You then say:
"Such stats above make no sense. Likely they worded it incorrectly (probably unintentionally) which changes meaning of the original stat."
I asked you, and again ask- quote:
"^Why doesn't it make any sense, and how do you know what they write is worded incorrectly? "
Who are you- some sort of prophet to determine whether they worded something incorrectly?
They wrote the article not you. What mystical powers do you have to say the worded it "incorrectly?"
Then you talk about an "original stat" but cant say what is is..
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You also advance the even more strange claim that past complaints about dollar turnover are irrelevant.
Let's quote you again-.. Quote:
I said:
"This complaint about lack of circulation by the way is almost a century old, and appears in
"buy black" campaigns being run in the 1920s- during the segregation era."
You then said- quote:
"The above bold that you posted is not a stat. It's a complaint so it's not relevant to verifying a somewhat recent stat."
But what you say is shaky and your statement is debunked by the very same article you post.
What I said had nothing to do with proving any recent stats, but the complaints that caused
stats to be gathered, (and debated over decades) in the first place. That complaint
is the major issue that STILL is a major issue today, namely, the lack of buy black
dollar turnover in black communities. Your very own article confirms what I say, and
rather than simply admit it, you no curiously claim to be "misquoted". Really?
Your own article references the complaint re the limited circulation of the black dollar in the black community.
Indeed it references a show by Roland Martin talking about boycotts, the need for blacks to be
more loyal, and a program to boost such loyalty, because of the situation.
newsone.com/3278966/lifespan-of-a-dollar-in-african-american-communities-is-6-hours/
you went on to post link to an article with stat that my article directly debunked. I don’t like liars or fakers. I’m done talking with you about this.
You're done because your shaky statements are exposed. I re-posted one article Takuri presented and asked
you where the alleged "fakery" was. That article had no statistics on the bad black dollar turnover,
and does not mention the Selig stats at all. So your are fibbing when you say that I
"went on to post link to an article with stat that my article directly debunked. "
This fib can be seen by comparing both yours and Takuri's articles above- side by side. What I
post from Takuri, the vicad article, does not mention any Selig stats..
I then re-posted YOUR own article that "debunked" Takuri's OTHER claim as to the Selig Center statistics.
You said the stat Takuri was using was bogus. Quote:
That circulation stat is bogus and never originated from UGA Selig Center. Not saying you were being dishonest. You were just misled. See here (http://truthbetold.news/2015/12/does-a-dollar-spent-in-the-black-community-really-stay-there-for-only-six-hours/) for someone who investigated it thoroughly.
OK. fine. The statistic being used was shaky, as many researchers cannot locate its source. No problem.
But that does not negate Takuri's OVERALL point that many people feel there is not sufficient
intra-community turnaround of dollars spent by black people within black communities. It may be
true that there are no firm statistics, and specific claims- like a specific turnaround rate are
shaky, but for almost a century, the same turnaround complaint has been a key issue of black community
discourse. Thus Takuri did not prove the specific turnover rate or timing, but his overall point holds.
I said the stat was bogus and my article focused on showing the stat was bogus so how on earth would the article contradict my claim?
The contradiction is when you dismiss the complaints that are the foundation issue as "irrelevant."
How could they be "irrelevant" when the stats are themselves being gathered, and being used to address
the very same complaint? Your own article confirms this, Hence what you saying seems contradictory.
and nonsensical. You aren't being misquoted- your quotes are clearly shown. Its the shaky claims
and assumptions you keep making- like your mystical assumption, re the allegedly "incorrect wording"
of what other people wrote.
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Post by zarahan on Dec 30, 2018 17:28:33 GMT -5
But in any event, we agree on a number of points, as shown below. TAKURI: I thought everybody knew negroes were getting their heads busted trying to buy an integrated cups of coffee at lunchcounters. Uhn huhn, because the whites wanted their money right.But whites did want black money, once black folk began to build up their cash reserves. They wanted to maintain the social inferiority and white supremacy of Jim Crow, but they had no problem taking black money. How do you think black people got land in the south? Even the most racist whites saw that they could make some dough by selling ff a portion of their lands that were just sitting, unused and unproductive. How do you think Harlem became black? By singing "Old Black Joe" for de white folks? NO. It became black because white people wanted to make money, and they got premium dolla from blacks who needed housing. Why do you think that many stores STILL took black money even as they refused to let blacks sit next to de white folk at their lunch counters? THey sure as hell did not turn down the black dollars from the black shoppers who spent on clothing, groceries, appliances and sundries. And this is precisely the point stressed by the Civil Rights Movement activists. We buy at your stores, and as a result we deserve decent equal treatment. We ain't asking for anything extra. All this is pretty basic history 101 anyone should understand. White people never had a problem taking black money, on their own terms. AFRICURIOUS Yup. Whites still made lots of money from blacks during segregation. They still owned businesses and property in black neighborhoods and businesses that supplied black businesses during segregation. Segregation was just the means to keep blacks in substandard conditions and remind whites they were superior. |
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Post by asante on Jan 10, 2019 14:19:58 GMT -5
LOOK AT THIS ISH! THIS IS WHY I DO NOT TRUST NON BLACK PEOPLE LIKE EBRO IN OUR CULTURE....HE IS PARLAYING OUR CULTURE TO OTHERS UNDER THE GUISE OF THE WHITE ELECTED HIPHOP REPRESENTATIVE. EVERYTHING THAT THESE HALF BREEDS AND CULTURAL OUTSKIRT NEGRAS ARE DOING AGAINST OUR PEOPLE AND CULTURE IS DETAILED IN THIS SACRED BOOK!!! How in the F*ck does a half breed become a gate keeper to black culture?!?! We gotta call this ISH out.  |
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Post by anansi on Jan 10, 2019 19:14:59 GMT -5
That is the nature of cosmopolitan or urban civilization, what ever useful things one created will spread beyond one's control, it's a black thing until it's not, BTW this cuts both ways, many a black took up Asian specific martial arts , the Black Panthers and others certainly took it up back in the day, and many a black men are dojo owners and operators, BTW is Jim Kelly still alive??
This shadism thing again, how much black is black?? and what qualifies , who make the rules anyway, is Malcolm X black?? are Bob Marley and Frederick Douglass still black now that their skin is melted away and all is left is dry white bones??
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 10, 2019 19:21:32 GMT -5
How in the F*ck does a half breed become a gate keeper to black culture?!?! Ask true half breed Robert Nesta Marley. Colorism, like misogyny, is an agent's divisionary tactic. Check it at the door. Better yet drop it the rubbish bin. Full breed Peter Tosh sang
No mind your complexion
There is no rejection.
If ya plexion high high high
If ya plexion low low low ... This is elementary Liberation Struggle. Hip-hop isn't black culture. Hip-hop is one black subculture. Bakra media played Simon Sez. Simon says: "You niggas, dis ya culture." That's a double entendre by the way. |
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Post by asante on Jan 11, 2019 9:53:01 GMT -5
That is the nature of cosmopolitan or urban civilization, what ever useful things one created will spread beyond one's control, it's a black thing until it's not, BTW this cuts both ways, many a black took up Asian specific martial arts , the Black Panthers and others certainly took it up back in the day, and many a black men are dojo owners and operators, BTW is Jim Kelly still alive?? This shadism thing again, how much black is black?? and what qualifies , who make the rules anyway, is Malcolm X black?? are Bob Marley and Frederick Douglass still black now that their skin is melted away and all is left is dry white bones?? The Bronze age civilization (starting with Nubia) was founded of course created by black Africans, and spread across the continents. They began to be overrun after 2,000 BC first through amalgamation, and once amalgamated those non mixed breeds would parlay the culture to the whites. This is an age old game. THIS WAS THE WHOOOLE HYPE BEHIND DRAKE IN THE LAST DECADE. He was corny, but he hung out with LIL WAYNE AND YUNG MONEY who was THE hottest artist at the time. They gave the "JEWISH RAISED' (no real connection with his father's side) mixed breed his "cool pass" into the culture. They not only gave him a pass, but propped him up. Then the media because he's half Jewish made that half breed the FIRST corporate rapper, and because he is a "soft face" (compared to a traditional hard faced (black)) he was easier to embrace to non black fans of all walks of life. With his corporate appeal hiphop has been marketed to non blacks in a massive way throughout this last decade. I remember a young foreign Asian classmate at my college who I had a group project with (along with some friends), and my friend and I got to talking a little off topic about hip hop and related issues the first day the Asian dude (very awkwardly foreign) didn't really understand the cultural discussion. He apparently went home and saw Drake on television, came back the next day and started playing Drake's old album before class. He could barely understand English, but saw the mixed breed as the face to our culture.   |
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Post by anansi on Jan 11, 2019 12:51:37 GMT -5
@ Asante: Bruh!! at the end of the day who would "u" rather have on your team ..Pastor Jesse Lee Peterson and Pastor Mannings or Frederick Douglass and George Williams Gardon, and yes I know the divide and conquer tactics, many of our lite-skinned members of the FAM fell for the Okidoke but a great many did not! In ancient or modern times , so who is it??Kap vs Steven A Smith??
Candace Owens fine chocolate self but a trifling sellout vs the damned near white looking Lena Horn, beautiful back in the days of her youth in mind and countenance ??..would you rather have Thurgood Marshall or Clarence Thomas.
Speak the truth and shame the devil on this, but know that nobility of spirit have nothing to do with a plexion or a breed.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 11, 2019 19:08:04 GMT -5
The 3 C's of Blackness: • Color • Culture • Consciousness Ancestor Chancellor Williams doesn't support divisive colorism based on miscegenation. In fact, he even supports racial suicides who weren't born blackish.  Black Liberation Struggle is Ongoing. Breedism and colorism is counter struggle. So are misogyny and ageism. All four are brain chains. Unshackle the mind. Struggle for mental liberation.  PT 1 of the Trilogy EDIT:Flags and countries 40 years ago (damn I'm getting old). Note the two Tricolor schemes of many countries • Red Black Green • Red Gold Green |
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Post by anansi on Jan 12, 2019 6:08:17 GMT -5
That passage from The Destruction OF Black Civilization, is a rebuke to lazy intellectuals amongst us with their overly simplistic solutions With an inverse Wy supremacist world view, of kill em all!!! let god sought out the good ones from the bad, or the only "Good Injun, is a dead Injun".. Pilgrim.
Yes complexities abound,and yes some well intended actions can come back to bite us in the ass,but only if one is careless ,learn how to navigate in deep waters instead of fearing it.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 12, 2019 12:20:23 GMT -5
If they are willing we must bring around our youth and those w/o a Grounnation.
We must help them separate Nationalism/Liberation Struggle/Pan Africanism
from reactionary divide&conquer or other Eurocentric devices designed
to atomize the Movement with mistrust for one another based on accidents of fate
• continent of birth
• country of birth
• mother tongue
• complexion
• hair texture
• gender
• born of out-group mating
Many paths can reach the same destination.
If that destination is harmonyandgrowth, see you there.
If not
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Post by asante on Jan 12, 2019 14:02:38 GMT -5
That passage from The Destruction OF Black Civilization, is a rebuke to lazy intellectuals amongst us with their overly simplistic solutions With an inverse Wy supremacist world view, of kill em all!!! let god sought out the good ones from the bad, or the only "Good Injun, is a dead Injun".. Pilgrim. Yes complexities abound,and yes some well intended actions can come back to bite us in the ass,but only if one is careless ,learn how to navigate in deep waters instead of fearing it. This obviously pinched a nerve...You must have missed the other "MASTER TEACHER" in my post speak in his own words about the mulatto problem. They are the "bastards of history", and their treachery has been known for ages. White people weaponize mulattoes, against black people, because they know that our people have big hearts. They know that we will try to save those half breeds of our bloodlines despite their mental poisoning by the other side. One of the premiere cases of mixed people defecating on the original black people is in India with the caste system. The original blue-black populations of the Indus Valley have been subjugated to the maximum degree mostly by those brown Indians who are mixed between the original pitch black Dravidian populations and the invading barbaric Aryan invaders. These mixed race brown Indians are the main enforcers of the subjugating system, because they wish to side with the winner of the original "race war". This ancient - modern situation is perfectly explained in the pages that I cited. There is considerably more text in the book regarding the mulatto problem, but that which I presented was simply the headlining passage on the issue. In a system where they don't have to respect us, the mixed breeds have formed an entirely new identity to separate themselves from their melaninated mothers and fathers, again because they have no real loyalty towards blackness, but only their own well being within a system.
 THIS IS WHAT THE " DESTRUCTION OF BLACK CIVILIZATION" WAS TALKING ABOUT TO ALL OF THE SILLY SWIRLERS (AND SYMPATHIZERS) WHO DO NOT WISH UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES BEHIND NOT REPRODUCING WITH OTHER MELANINATED PEOPLE, BECAUSE OF THE TEMPORARY PLEASURE OF "EXOTIC SEX". |
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Post by asante on Jan 12, 2019 14:19:04 GMT -5
The 3 C's of Blackness: • Color • Culture • Consciousness Ancestor Chancellor Williams doesn't support divisive colorism based on miscegenation. In fact, he even supports racial suicides who weren't born blackish. Black Liberation Struggle is Ongoing. Breedism and colorism is counter struggle. So are misogyny and ageism. All four are brain chains. Unshackle the mind. Struggle for mental liberation. PT 1 of the Trilogy EDIT:Flags and countries 40 years ago (damn I'm getting old). Note the two Tricolor schemes of many countries • Red Black Green • Red Gold Green |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Jan 12, 2019 18:48:27 GMT -5
3 paid-in-full members of your Swirlers Club:
Cheikh Anta Diop
Joel Augustus Rogers
Kwame Nkrumah
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You put your words in Chancellor Williams' mouth.
I posted directly from his Destruction of Black Civilization.
The man himself in exactly his own words.
No filler. No FD&C. No GMO.
Heed the Ancestor or continue hardening your head.
But damnit don't dare lie and say he said something he ain't say.
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C'mon Youngblood.
You honestly think ancient India is new news?
Please. We done been known institutional racism began there.
Anti-blackism was encoded in both
sacred (the Vedas 1250BCE) and
legal text (Manusmriti 200BCE) there.
Hope you realize Dalit (Mala) come in various shades.
Where does binary mode lead?
Simulation of full analog mode?
A living biopsy of complete reality.
Muhammad Ali cannot be seperated from the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad cannot be separated from Master Fard Muhammad.
Master Fard Muhammad cannot be separated from Asiatic ethnicity.
Which of the 3 is your purebred?
Which of the 3 have woolly hair?
Which of the 3 are Black?
Yet the Lost Found nation, founded by 'Nephew', is an independent Black institution.
It is still holding on under the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 12:28:41 GMT -5
While you guys are having this desultory conversation, smart blacks, like Mr. Peter Alfred-Adekeye, are busy disrupting trillion dollar industries. Cisco System found his competition threatening enough to try to set him up for arrest. A pound of flesh: how Cisco’s “unmitigated gall” derailed one man’s life arstechnica.com 3 mins read As part of a legal battle with a rival firm, computer networking giant Cisco … High-tech entrepreneur Peter Adekeye's yearlong nightmare began after he dropped his wife off at the Vancouver International airport and headed downtown to The Wedgewood, a posh boutique hotel. Inside a tasteful boardroom adorned with gilt-framed mirrors, the US District Court for Northern California, San Jose division, had convened a special sitting to hear Adekeye's deposition as part of a massive antitrust action he had launched against his former employer, the computer giant Cisco Systems. An official court video camera recorded the proceedings on May 20, 2010—Adekeye affably answering questions in an elegant black suit accented with a pale blue shirt and a coral tie. At 5:15pm, however, two plainclothes women—the shorter one brandishing a badge—and two uniformed police officers entered the room. Adekeye was confused, as were his two Wall Street lawyers and the special judicial master conducting the hearing. But the four lawyers for Cisco knew exactly what was going on. "I'm from the RCMP," the taller woman said, "I'm sorry I have to interrupt your meeting here." "Hello," Adekeye said. "I'm looking for—are you a Mr. Peter Alfred-Adekeye?" "Yes." "How do you say your name?" "Add-a-kay." "Add-a-kay," she repeated. The lawyers interjected—"this is off the record," "on the record." "I just want to speak with you," the officer continued. "Mr. Adekeye, the reason I'm here..." "Wait, we're conducting a deposition here," the special master said as decorum collapsed and the video was shut off. The recording resumed at 5:40pm, the camera focused on an empty chair with the special master speaking. "The interruption makes it impossible to continue the deposition today and, in my opinion, tomorrow," he said. "So I think that this deposition will be suspended until further notice." Meanwhile, Adekeye was being perp-walked through the swanky hotel lobby, paraded past its well-heeled and powerful patrons and into a waiting paddy wagon. With that, the former Cisco executive, a British citizen with a blemish-free record and a sterling resume, dropped down an Alice-in-Wonderland rabbit hole that would tie up a year of his life. The judge who freed Adekeye a year later said the public would "blanche at the audacity" of the conduct of Cisco and US prosecutors, both of whom turned out to be involved in Adekeye's jailing and persecution. Adekeye's deposition and arrest The "crime" A week after his arrest and imprisonment, Adekeye appeared before British Columbia Supreme Court Justice Arne Silverman, a six-year veteran of the province's highest trial bench. Adekeye was described as a "sinister" figure of uncertain citizenship on the run from 97 charges of illegal computer hacking that carried a penalty of almost half-a-millennium in prison. Canadian prosecutors said that, according to US Homeland Security, Adekeye slipped in and out of the US surreptitiously—and they could match up the dates of the offenses with dates he had unlawfully entered the country over a two-year period. They made it sound like the crime of the century; in fact, throughout the specified time, Adekeye was living in America on a valid visa. And the heinous crime was accessing Cisco's internal systems on several occasions with a Cisco employee's permission. As he stood in court for his first appearance, Adekeye couldn't believe what he heard—his citizenship was disparaged, his achievements derided. Prosecutors portrayed him not as a successful computer executive and innovator but rather as a Nigerian scofflaw who was a serious flight risk with a checkered, fugitive's past. Justice Silverman was told the Canadian government had invoked the emergency provisions of the Extradition Act to obtain the arrest warrant—this case was that important and urgent. The judge who had issued the warrant had heard a similarly misleading story about Adekeye, who has held British citizenship since 2004; US prosecutors claimed they didn't have time to file a full extradition request because Adekeye might flee the country. The extradition documentation was mostly a pack of "innuendo, half truths, and complete falsehoods," as a judge would later find, but it was impossible for Adekeye to counter without obtaining documentation from Europe. He was denied bail and would remain in custody for 28 days while his lawyers mustered supporting material to refute the charges presented to the court. He was finally released only under strict bail conditions that forced him to surrender his passport and remain in Vancouver unless given permission to travel elsewhere in Canada. By then, he understood only too well how he had been pursued by Cisco. The Canadian authorities, however, and the judges who issued the arrest warrant and denied Adekeye bail, remained in the dark. They were unaware Adekeye's alleged crimes were part of a bigger legal battle he was waging against the $7 billion computer firm. As part of its response to his litigation, Cisco had accused Adekeye in a civil countersuit of using his former colleague's computer credentials to obtain services worth "more than $14,000." No one ever explained the "magic" of that number—whether it meant $15,000 or $1 million—even the judges couldn't figure it out. Cisco had pushed for Adekeye's arrest, apparently as part of its litigation strategy to derail the damaging antitrust suit that Adekeye launched in December 2008. They allegedly wanted him kept in custody to pressure him into settling or withdrawing his suit; they succeeded in keeping him locked up for a month. Normally, on a case like this, a non-violent defendant without a criminal record who wasn't considered a flight risk would have been out on bail in a day. read:https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/07/a-pound-of-flesh-how-ciscos-unmitigated-gall-derailed-one-mans-life/ www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN3mBSIhMEk |
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Post by zarahan on Jan 20, 2019 12:50:47 GMT -5
^^I think you need a separate thread to expand on Cisco or legal troubles of ex-Cisco worker Adekeye specifically for more targeted discussion of this important story. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is the nature of cosmopolitan or urban civilization, what ever useful things one created will spread beyond one's control, it's a black thing until it's not, BTW this cuts both ways, many a black took up Asian specific martial arts , the Black Panthers and others certainly took it up back in the day, and many a black men are dojo owners and operators, BTW is Jim Kelly still alive?? This shadism thing again, how much black is black?? and what qualifies , who make the rules anyway, is Malcolm X black?? are Bob Marley and Frederick Douglass still black now that their skin is melted away and all is left is dry white bones?? Indeed. At some level there will always be cultural mixing and matching. That's the nature of the black Atlantic exchange, both good and ill. I am glad you mention Jim Kelly and co, for at one time the Asian martial arts and related Asian cultural styles were very big in the black community, including the hip hop community, as evidenced by the success of Wu-Tang Clan, and the Jim Kellys.. These cats took the Asian style fused it with black urban style and re-exported new mutations back to Asia where now kids in Japan for example bebop to such things as "Afro-Samurai", along others. Any notion of some sort of pure, untouched monolithic black culture, which no one is supposed to touch, and which others will not appropriate, copy, adapt and borrow is out of touch with reality. Are there cheap, crass, commercial ripoffs and misappropriations? SUre, which can be critiqued. That goes without saying. But the blunt fact is that other cultures and peoples will copy and borrow, and modify from Afro-American culture. This is part of the fusion of cultures that is the Atlantic world, for better or worse. |
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