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Post by asante on Dec 5, 2018 20:56:43 GMT -5
I am sick of seeing in every sector of online discussion designed to be for black discussions a white person pretending to be black interjecting their craziness into our discussions. The battles never end with those people. They are constantly trying to infiltrate our cultures and relationships. I cannot find a single hip hop forum online dedicated to real hiphop (which is black), because you have an overwhelming presence of white, Hispanic and Asian geeks who are getting every bit of their information about our people and culture not from genuine interaction with us, but instead from online, and through their monetary wealth are trying to run with our culture in this capitalist society. As a whole those listed groups want to be or align with the people at the top of the f-ed up system which is white people economically and socially, but they also want to have some genuine soul from genuine people that they simply cannot get from whites. The problem with that is that those groups (who a lot Negroes cape for) ultimately do not respect us. I and real black folk do not smile at them doing goofy ish to gain acceptance into our cultures, and they know that those small time antics won't work on real ones. So they leverage the inferiority complexes of alot of Negroes (confused or bitter single black mothers, predominantly white area suburban blacks or lonely homosexuals) who will olive branch Caucasians into our mix, and they're always caping for their inevitable fuckery. I feel that those Negroes are big problems that should be weeded out of our community forums. I'm starting to believe that this was a primary reason for the internet. How do people on this board feel about this online problem. |
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Post by anansi on Dec 6, 2018 5:39:04 GMT -5
It is the nature of the internet , if you are in an open forum then it is what it is, especially if it's unmoderated.
However I'd like to know if you are upset at their unpopular speech or is it the trolling, it makes a difference,at least to me, someone's unpopular speech or challenge can be dispensed with , you have done that many a times.
Someone trolling.. trying to ridicule without counter evidence that's a mgt problem.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 6, 2018 15:34:33 GMT -5
I think the only way to neuter them is to ignore them, they will then waste away. But on their forums they will "objectively" show us the door quick, for little reason. Problem is their bait is often too controversial, too irresistible for many of us. No way the avg person will ignore WS posing black. And fearful mods, as responsible negroes, dare not take action. They really believe the playing field is level. And its only 54 years after legal on-papers civil rights in the USA. They don't understand the diff twixt • Liberation Struggle • Civil Rights So civil rights, Blacks fought and won them (for all ethnic Americans, including East&South Europeans who were glass floored). Yet civil rights didn't attain Black liberation and independence (creating businesses to hire and career Blacks, taking on the burden of the very poor and indigent., 'parochial' education, etc.). That ain't easy, it's a struggle So liberation struggle, to build us up So liberation struggle, not to tear others down The Struggle is continuous Struggle is ongoing The second one stops struggling is the second one's enemies triumph. Embrace Kawaida, practice its 7 Principles employed by every successful people and nation.
I am sick of seeing in every sector of online discussion designed to be for black discussions a white person pretending to be black interjecting their craziness into our discussions. It battles never end with those people. They are constantly trying to infiltrate our cultures and relationships. [...] white, Hispanic and Asian geeks who are getting every bit of their information about our people and culture not from genuine interaction with us, but instead from online, and are trying to run with it. As a whole these groups want to be or align with the people at the top [...] Ultimately they have a disrespect for us. www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0vg7c3-OrQwww.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4TxRpWw-wSo they leverage the inferiority complexes of alot of [n]egroes (confused or bitter [...] who will olive branch Caucasians into our mix, and they're always caping for their inevitable fuckery. I feel that those [n]egroes are big problems ... How do people on this board feel about this online problem.
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Post by asante on Dec 6, 2018 17:31:53 GMT -5
al~Takruri I feel you on the solution being to ignore them, but on the old Egyptsearch for example I tried and it didn't work. I lurked there for about 7 years prior to posting, and generally enjoyed the discussions. There was one person however who bugged me because they were pretending to be black while also making trolling white supremacist arguments, and that person is now a moderator on that forum! I would ignore tf out of her post and topics, but she was a relentless obviously white troll who they made a moderator of OUR discussions! It's absolutely ludicrous. Is anything of ours sacred? That forum was and still is to an extent a valuable weapon to combat those types of people, and now one of those types of people is now a moderator (you may know who I'm talking about) on a forum for black enlightenment. The so called "black" moderators as you stated are afraid to take action against their constant menacing in our discussions, and this makes me distrust them.
With these white pretend to be black trolls there are clear agendas to get black people to think and argue from a white narrative that I can't help but think is narrated by agents that bounce from forum to forum. On their forums I agree they are bait for enlightened black people, and they have no problem openly resorting to shameless tactics to eliminate their needs to contend with our arguments that go against their narratives. They are a waste of time. I think ultimately an apologetically black forum is needed to progress any real discussions on various topics between us.
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Post by asante on Dec 6, 2018 17:41:40 GMT -5
It is the nature of the internet , if you are in an open forum then it is what it is, especially if it's unmoderated. However I'd like to know if you are upset at their unpopular speech or is it the trolling, Someone trolling.. trying to ridicule without counter evidence that's a mgt problem. See that's the game. First of all this is alarming that YOU think this way. WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER BE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS UNLESS OPENLY INVITED! Anyone who thinks different is remnants of the cancer that brought us down in the first place. Secondly, No one is concerned with different opinions, but situations that are clearly conspiracies need to be dealt with accordingly. On the old Egyptsearch for example, almost two decades of empirical data has been presented proving that the Kemites were black, there is absolutely no need on this forum or the old one for anymore "debates" on that topic. When we see that one poster has a theme of trying to compromise that fact by trying to muster up the most asinine arguments then they clearly have agenda that goes against the progression of this black intellectual communities enlightenment making them a distraction and thus a problem. Unpopular to who? Coons? White Liberals in black face? Why not note that multiple people even on Egyptsearch have went out of their way to show support for my points. On that Tamahu thread that you closed years ago, I'm getting love from those post to this very year. Discussions like that just be range among black people, just like they have their own discussions about us on the Apricity. For some reason it made you cringe though. |
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 6, 2018 18:30:15 GMT -5
Now this about that hard to abandon place Asante Blacks will continue to operate at a net loss. Why? Whites+ cooperate and they form coordinated teams. Blacks operate as rugged individualist. Consequently their efforts aren't pooled. The result? Minor/diminished accomplishments (as an ethnicity, yet individuals accomplish much working with/for/among others. Me? I'm for independence not separation nor segregation. I'm against denigrating any people's ethnicity, colour, or phenotypes, clear back to our common Stone Ages. al~Takruri I feel you on the solution being to ignore them, but on the old Egyptsearch for example I tried and it didn't work. I lurked there for about 7 years prior to posting, and generally enjoyed the discussions. There was one person however who bugged me because they were pretending to be black while also making trolling white supremacist arguments, and that person is now a moderator on that forum! I would ignore tf out of her post and topics, but she was a relentless obviously white troll who they made a moderator of OUR discussions! It's absolutely ludicrous. Is anything of ours sacred? That forum was and still is to an extent a valuable weapon to combat those types of people, and now one of those types of people is now a moderator (you may know who I'm talking about) on a forum for black enlightenment. The so called "black" moderators as you stated are afraid to take action against their constant menacing in our discussions, and this makes me distrust them. With these white pretend to be black trolls there are clear agendas to get black people to think and argue from a white narrative that I can't help but think is narrated by agents that bounce from forum to forum. On their forums I agree they are bait for enlightened black people, and they have no problem openly resorting to shameless tactics to eliminate their needs to contend with our arguments that go against their narratives. They are a waste of time. I think ultimately an apologetically black forum is needed to progress any real discussions on various topics between us. |
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Post by asante on Dec 6, 2018 19:24:43 GMT -5
Now this about that hard to abandon place Asante Blacks will continue to operate at a net loss. Why? Whites+ cooperate and they form coordinated teams. Blacks operate as rugged individualist. Consequently their efforts aren't pooled. The result? Minor/diminished accomplishments (as an ethnicity, yet individuals accomplish much working with/for/among others. Me? I'm for independence not separation nor segregation. I'm against denigrating any people's ethnicity, colour, or phenotypes, clear back to our common Stone Ages. al~Takruri I feel you on the solution being to ignore them, but on the old Egyptsearch for example I tried and it didn't work. I lurked there for about 7 years prior to posting, and generally enjoyed the discussions. There was one person however who bugged me because they were pretending to be black while also making trolling white supremacist arguments, and that person is now a moderator on that forum! I would ignore tf out of her post and topics, but she was a relentless obviously white troll who they made a moderator of OUR discussions! It's absolutely ludicrous. Is anything of ours sacred? That forum was and still is to an extent a valuable weapon to combat those types of people, and now one of those types of people is now a moderator (you may know who I'm talking about) on a forum for black enlightenment. The so called "black" moderators as you stated are afraid to take action against their constant menacing in our discussions, and this makes me distrust them. With these white pretend to be black trolls there are clear agendas to get black people to think and argue from a white narrative that I can't help but think is narrated by agents that bounce from forum to forum. On their forums I agree they are bait for enlightened black people, and they have no problem openly resorting to shameless tactics to eliminate their needs to contend with our arguments that go against their narratives. They are a waste of time. I think ultimately an apologetically black forum is needed to progress any real discussions on various topics between us. True! We as a people need to establish and accomplish common goals. |
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Post by anansi on Dec 7, 2018 0:29:26 GMT -5
It is the nature of the internet , if you are in an open forum then it is what it is, especially if it's unmoderated. However I'd like to know if you are upset at their unpopular speech or is it the trolling, Someone trolling.. trying to ridicule without counter evidence that's a mgt problem. See that's the game. First of all this is alarming that YOU think this way. WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER BE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS UNLESS OPENLY INVITED! Anyone who thinks different is remnants of the cancer that brought us down in the first place. Secondly, No one is concerned with different opinions, but situations that are clearly conspiracies need to be dealt with accordingly. On the old Egyptsearch for example, almost two decades of empirical data has been presented proving that the Kemites were black, there is absolutely no need on this forum or the old one for anymore "debates" on that topic. When we see that one poster has a theme of trying to compromise that fact by trying to muster up the most asinine arguments then they clearly have agenda that goes against the progression of this black intellectual communities enlightenment making them a distraction and thus a problem. Unpopular to who? Coons? White Liberals in black face? Why not note that multiple people even on Egyptsearch have went out of their way to show support for my points. On that Tamahu thread that you closed years ago, I'm getting love from those post to this very year. Discussions like that just be range among black people, just like they have their own discussions about us on the Apricity. For some reason it made you cringe though. Again in an "open" forum they are gonna show up, outside of trolling and violating clear guide lines, there isn't much one can do about them, ignore them is an option, a closed forum is another matter, you invite whom you wished to invite discuss things without fear of interruptions and trolls. And to be clear if and when a thread is shut down here on ESR,it is done in consultation with other staff, the tread was shutdown due to repeated violations, it gave me no pleasure in doing so, but I have no regrets either, no matter how popular it is to some. Anyone who dropped by here and try to argue through ridicule using memes like We Waz Kangz Sheet is dealt with, or try to make redundant arguments about the Blackness of African civilizations is pointed to a wall of text linked to posts right here and ignored, they usually get gone unless something new actually popped up in academic circles that needs looking into. |
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Post by anansi on Dec 7, 2018 6:11:45 GMT -5
One more thing, I'm baffled why any sound Blackman would stay visiting known white supremacist websites, Apricity?? I could careless ,it's their house ,if one feels the need to annoy them once in awhile good on them or you , but ferchristsakes don't dwell there ,toxic as that environment that it is.
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Post by asante on Dec 7, 2018 16:27:45 GMT -5
One more thing, I'm baffled why any sound Blackman would stay visiting known white supremacist websites, Apricity?? I could careless ,it's their house ,if one feels the need to annoy them once in awhile good on them or you , but ferchristsakes don't dwell there ,toxic as that environment that it is. First let's note that I did not pretend to be anything other than a black man, and with the same avatar. I did that years ago when I first began to put forth the information in my main thread "Hapi Valley Origins and Dispersal", because to my knowledge at the time it appeared that the "black" intellects over at Egyptsearch were afraid to put forth the argument that Afro-Americans have linkage to Hapi Valley civilization. To me it seemed like they were scared that white "intellectuals" (who tend to hang around on those sites) would halt that argument and clown them with the "WE WUZ KANGZ" ish, which is at the root of most of the discussions on Egyptsearch. To think that so called "smart" Negroes actually allow that fear of a hurt ego to keep them from claiming their rightful heritage. I did it to show that those white "intellectuals" wouldn't dare step in the line of fire against that argument, because they know that there is sufficient evidence to confirm that. Hell half of them agreed, and my thread was the most viewed thread in their history section for years (it may still be). The scary self hating coon Negroes or "Negro Allies" who imply that they are black (another problem) have been shamed away (or coordinate in the case of the implied blacks) from acknowledging this fact, which is something that I raised Hell over on the old Egyptsearch about. So I did it basically to give confidence to our "intellectuals" who I now see 'some' are hopeless coons or white liberals in blackface who who were not merely hiding behind the Hamitic hypothesis, but fully support it. The hopes of giving them confidence was to progress the conversation away from the recycled tributary arguments of the Hamitic Hypothesis, and more in the direction of where C.A. Diop (who started modern Afrocentrism) intended for it to go. I felt that the DNAtribe analysis (which has now been verified as valid) in the early part of the decade should have shifted the conversations on Egyptsearch entirely, but the scared Negroes were afraid to move forward. |
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Post by zarahan on Dec 8, 2018 12:26:39 GMT -5
They are constantly trying to infiltrate our cultures and relationships. I cannot find a single hip hop forum online dedicated to real hiphop (which is black), because you have an overwhelming presence of white, Hispanic and Asian geeks who are getting every bit of their information about our people and culture not from genuine interaction with us, but instead from online, and through their monetary wealth are trying to run with our culture in this capitalist society.
Agreed. And this has been a problem in hiphop for a long time- the cultural appropriation,
or misappropriation. But how do you stop that given the expansiveness of hip hop and
its undeniabe popular draw? I mean years ago I heard 50-cent observe how he was in
Australia and during his musical set thousands of white kids rose to their feet
to chant lyrics along with him, lyrics talking bout 'niggas'.. He was taken aback
at bit but the draw of the music or beats or whatever got them to their feet.
Yes they had no clue of the deep cultural background of the lyrics, but black music has
been getting them excited for decades, even if only on the surface. How do you stop it?
And then this-- that ASIDE from the negative BS misappropraition, there is a process of
'creolization' of cuture going on at the present time-that will include all these sorts of
cultural mixes. THis mix and match as been going on in the Atlantic world since black slavery
into it began.
I feel that those Negroes are big problems that should be weeded out of our community forums.
I'm starting to believe that this was a primary reason for the internet.
The thing is though its hard to weed them out, because they will insist that they are just as
much part of the black community as anyone else. And who will do the weeding out? The big
black dogs online, The ROot, Atlanta Black Star and other black online media heavyweights
will not. So you are left with smaller specialized forums, of which there is a big diversity.
There was one person however who bugged me because they were pretending to be black while also making trolling white supremacist arguments, and that person is now a moderator on that forum! I would ignore tf out of her post and topics, but she was a relentless obviously white troll who they made a moderator of OUR discussions! It's absolutely ludicrous. and now one of those types of people is now a moderator (you may know who I'm talking about) on a forum for black enlightenment.
Yes he/she was a troll that hung on for years doing hundreds of "mini" posts. Eventually
he/she gained power, which was the whole objective. The 'crisis' that led to the takeover
in some ways seemed a setup.
On their forums I agree they are bait for enlightened black people, and they have no problem openly resorting to shameless tactics to eliminate their needs to contend with our arguments that go against their narratives.
YEs. There is a war going on in a way, they keep running the same game on Wikipedia
by removing legitimate scholarship. But they have been defeated by alternative forums
like ES and Reloaded, which pump out tons of more accurate, up to date info, rendering
all their "stealth removal," or "administrator intervention" or "edit warring" efforts
irrelevant. A clear victory has been gained in the sense that info that would have
remained buried and known only to a few is now widely accessible to the masses. It is
now also on Facebook forums- plugging into that vast network, and is being used around the
web to hit hard at the distorters. Ironically this info would have remained buried, had
they played fairly and dealt honestly to begin with. Their own corruption and deception
backfired on them.
I think ultimately an apologetically black forum is needed to progress any real discussions on various topics between us.
Fair enough, but today's black community is so fragmented. The old black-white binary
from the 1960s and 1970s and even 80s has been shattered. If by the above you mean
black nationalist, its tough there too because of fragmentation into various camps.
How is this to be overcome, given diversity and fragmentation?
On the old Egyptsearch for example, almost two decades of empirical data has been presented proving that the Kemites were black, there is absolutely no need on this forum or the old one for anymore "debates" on that topic. When we see that one poster has a theme of trying to compromise that fact by trying to muster up the most asinine arguments then they clearly have agenda that goes against the progression of this black intellectual communities enlightenment making them a distraction and thus a problem.
Yes and they usually are debunked quickly enough. There are other posters who are into a geek supreme
format where their only interest is narrow anthropology or genetics who hang out mostly on white forums.
They don't often engage topics of broader black history of culture. There is something to be said for
a geek's lov of detail in confronting white supremacy and racism to be sure, but a broader cultural
picture should be kept in mind as well, a balance
Ultimately though Reloaded was never meant to replace ES- it was more of a backup, though it is now a
solid repository and databank in its own right. But it is limited and is not an active promoter
of itself, and some folks having been on the front lines for over a decade are not investing the
time they once did.
The hopes of giving them confidence was to progress the conversation away from the recycled tributary arguments of the Hamitic Hypothesis, and more in the direction of where C.A. Diop (who started modern Afrocentrism) intended for it to go. I felt that the DNAtribe analysis (which has now been verified as valid) in the early part of the decade should have shifted the conversations on Egyptsearch entirely, but the scared Negroes were afraid to move forward.
If you were hoping to shift convo on ES into a more nationalist ethos based on DNATribes it was
a misguided hope. DNAtribes was valuable but only one line of evidence among many. It was never needed
to make the case of a black Kemet for example. ANd ES itself was at that time split into various
factions - engaging in bitter personal flame wars over trivia and minutae when much more significant
enemies and challenges needed to be addressed. ON top of that were the disruptive white trolls
in various guises, and relentless criticism from the "geek" faction seeking to undermine the forum.
The nationalist faction was only one faction among many. Seeing as the forum was in foreign
or outside hands to begin with, various utopian hopes were always a dead end.
Still for a number of years, ES was a deadly threat to supremacist narratives around the web.
It didnt just make rhetorical replies but took them on in all the details, hammering them point
by point on any and all claims. Some of this was geek work to be sure, but then again the racist
web sphere has/had many geeks like Madilda, too that needed confronting, with hard science and
evidentiary arguments rather than just the usual rhetorical responses. Hence various agents
and trolls targeted it massively to discredit it, shut it down or ultimately take it over.
Ironically, some nationalists focused much of their attention on ignant white racists and trolls
like "Doxie" or "Celtic Warrioress", when there were much more substantial things to focus on.
Ultimately Reloaded was never meant to replace ES- it was more of a backup, although it is now a
solid repository and databank in its own right. But it is limited and is not an active promoter
of itself, and some folks having been on the front lines for over a decade are not investing the
time they once did. If you wanted to develop something broader you have to promote another other
venues frawing on the data here as needed. Much work can be done on Facebook for example which
is overrun with trolls, agents and even some well meaning but misguided blacks, who seemed more
concerned with mystical Atlantis rather than real info as pertains to Africa.
4 challenges to consider:
1) Given framentation and diversity in the black community, and the skewing of big black
media, how do you promote your models?
2) Given that a black nationalist model is only one among many, and is itself split into various
factions, how do you move it ahead?
3) Given the limited nature of Reloaded, and the shift away of ES, what forums or venues
will be vehices for your proposed conversation, keeping in mind the wide diversity of opinion
to be dealt with?
4) Given the process of creoliation of culture, in sharper focus now with the rise of the US Hispanic
population, and the magnetic draw of a mixed melange of black culture to others, how do
you define an "authentically black" model that will exclude (or include) others?
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Post by asante on Dec 9, 2018 22:48:51 GMT -5
They are constantly trying to infiltrate our cultures and relationships. I cannot find a single hip hop forum online dedicated to real hiphop (which is black), because you have an overwhelming presence of white, Hispanic and Asian geeks who are getting every bit of their information about our people and culture not from genuine interaction with us, but instead from online, and through their monetary wealth are trying to run with our culture in this capitalist society. Agreed. And this has been a problem in hiphop for a long time- the cultural appropriation, or misappropriation. But how do you stop that given the expansiveness of hip hop and its undeniabe popular draw? I mean years ago I heard 50-cent observe how he was in Australia and during his musical set thousands of white kids rose to their feet to chant lyrics along with him, lyrics talking bout 'niggas'.. He was taken aback at bit but the draw of the music or beats or whatever got them to their feet. Yes they had no clue of the deep cultural background of the lyrics, but black music has been getting them excited for decades, even if only on the surface. How do you stop it? And then this-- that ASIDE from the negative BS misappropraition, there is a process of 'creolization' of cuture going on at the present time-that will include all these sorts of cultural mixes. THis mix and match as been going on in the Atlantic world since black slavery into it began. YES!! The creolization of hip hop as we see today is the detriment of the culture. The younger generation of Afro-Americans who seems to be "assimilating" with the "mainstream" are becoming increasingly surburbanized. These suburbanized kids tend to not have a whole heap of black friends to form or juggle a black culture with, and so they learn from an early age to comprise with the non black majority surrounding them. In my city of Louisville - Jefferson county for example, back in the early 2,000's on back the vast majority of the black population lived in the West End, East End, Newburg and some parts of Shively and the projects in the South End. We all tended to see more black people, and contend with authentic black culture on a daily basis. We all had unapologetic black pride in this city, with our own neighborhood dope dealer sponsored celebrations throughout the Summer. We proudly claimed our sides of town as "the black side". Our own youth sports league (The Muhammad Ali league). During the Kentucky Derby after the horse races, THE BLACK WEST END OF LOUISVILLE was the most poppin place in the nation for that night. It was a smaller Freaknik that held it's own. The black businesses along our main corridor (W Broadway) made their main earning that weekend. 
The crackers could NOT STAND that WE had our own thing going on, and we got national attention doing our own black thing in the West End, so they ended REAL cruising on Broadway 12 years ago, and this year they eliminated the last major vendor area of the West End during Derby!
Louisville was so segregated until recently that my grandmother and I saw a white person walking down a prominent black street in the early 2010's, and our jaws dropped because we do no "F*** with white people on our sides of town. Visa Versa When I go go to the gym the "good" gyms are obviously in the white parts of town, and I remember early in this decade they used to stare at me like an animal out of the corner of their eyes when I went anywhere in those parts.
"The U.S. Census Bureau released findings from the 2010 Census this month that reveal a dramatic migration underway within black America. Over the past decade, hundreds of thousands of black people have relocated to the South and around the country, have moved from the cities to the suburbs. "
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These black kids who are being moved to the suburbs are also dating white women at alarming (to people who care about the reproduction of black children) rates.
The Negroes will also compromise the race and culture for white twat as well! Dumb ignorant hood Negroes here in Louisville fall for this type of "hood" (until the police are involved) white girl all the time. This is swirl city!
Oh I know! I have a step cousin raised in Oldham county, Ky (Louisville suburb) who only dates non black women and is a Trump supporting redneck loving coon. When I implied that perhaps his upbringing in a region that is over 90% white redneck had large influence on his social-political views he tried to get angry with me. I just had to keep it real with him. He eventually had to admit it. Now he's visible reassessing his understanding of blackness. We just have to be real with those blacks on the outskirts of the culture. When they are not checked then they use their black skin to coon and cosign white supremacy out of confusion (from being surrounded by snow).
It's easy to weed out non black folk, but we must be cognizant of those who try to pretend. Their contrarian nature will eventually surface.
Given the history of Egyptsearch as described that fact is tragic. When I saw that Mike was being banned for calling Caucasians "albinos", and presenting his argument because a "white person" who is now moderating that black forum says that it's not "sensible" it pisses me off. Distraction is always their goal anytime they attempt to get involved in our affairs.
Oh I've been done with attempting to correct those Wikipedia pages! Those wiki edit wars and those talk page tabs are controlled by the people who post on those pseudo-science white supremacist biology forums. They will quickly establish a "consensus" that voids out any valid arguments, and their dribble will be law on those pages. I attempted about a decade ago.
No doubt, however that Egyptsearch and ESR are powerful tools in relaying hard evidence and good relevant information in a wide range of African inspired topics. You will never see any serious poster on those pseudo science forums come and try to make their arguments over here. They know that they will get dog walked with no censorship in the discussions.
No I think that a forum that openly invites pro-black intellectuals will bring all corners of the family. Their should be space reserved for all major corners of the conscious communities, and places where invitable debates and progressive discussions should take place. There should also be an active section that allows blacks from the different regions and states to link up economically and socially.
Yes! I notice those posters who never seem to engage in authentic black conversation nor acknowledge any of the pro-black scholars and lecturers who laid the groundwork for Afrocentrism. Those posters are the token blacks over on those other forums, and they see prestige in being allowed to hang in their gutters. These posters are the one's who are scary. I mean that while they may make "pro black" arguments they won't push the envelop to the start any real discussions on specific topics. I seriously question those who require that our Afrocentrism (as given by the father of Afrocentrism CA Diop) to be outright legitimized by white researchers (and Western at that). It's sad to see for example "Afrocentrics" who cape for Christopher Ehret a man who directly debated (and lost!!!) against the partner of C.A Diop who is Theophile Obenga. Then Ehret appears to support this "pro African" Hamitic Hypothsis with his theories of "Afro-Asiatic" (which Obenga denies wholeheartedly). A look at his work and see that he tries to make himself appear to be a white liberal friend to Afrocentrism, but with his thesis he is the secret enemy of Afrocentrism. When I see his ish actually stickied on an "Afrocentric" forum it raises my eyebrows. This could possibly be a silent infiltration into Afrocentrism to mislead it's direction. Only the real ones have talked about this.
I know that everyone might not agree with some of Clyde Winters work, but there is a childishness among those coon posters to disregard what seems to be everything that the man who is a proud Afrocentric argues! That is alarming. His research is extremely valuable, because he acknowledges and produces evidence for a contrarian view of Western history. We know that Western history is built on lies, but some sunken place Negroes shun those who don't go along with those lies.
The fact of the matter with regards to DNAtribes, was that the white supremacist who got that R1b Tut story published in major media outlets wished that they actually had a legitimate analysis like DNAtribes (x2) to validate their claims. Those white supremacist made headline news with false DNA information with regards to Tut's genetic affinity. If that fake news was enough to shake up "the white world" then why does the actualy legitimate DNA analysis from DNAtribes which validates C.A Diops argument (which is supported in every scientific way possible!!!) need to meet the most rigid criteria to be legitimized by "our camps"? After the second analysis AND Ramses III's DNA release why has there not been Afrocentric celebration In this decade aDNA has confirmed black "Egypt" which is the crux of Afrocentrism. After 2013 the discussions should have entered a new chapter.
The truth is real "Afrocentrism" scares some of the prominent posters over on the old Egyptsearch.
Yes the internal fighting I saw was largely rooted in Coons and people posing as black people (being "pro-Afrocentric while not being black and failing to make that known) trying to detract from the validation of Afrocentrism with those findings. The amount of hate that Dr. Clyde Winters (the only person on the forum to have legitimate credentials and conducted peer reviewed research) was sickening, and it came exclusively from those coons and fake black folk. They are not hard to point out and weed out. Some Negroes only want to be "friends" or "allies" with a lot of people, and are afraid to hold their own.
Yes. Egyptsearch was THE force that decimated that Mathilda crap, and directly countered the influence of false information flowing from those pseudo science forums (Forum biodiversity, anthroscape etc etc).
The moderators should have been on those trolls. There should be no open challenges to the progression of the collective communities knowledge on the subject. If anthropology, blood grouping, linguistics, archaeology and now DNA all validate our argument, then plain and simple there is no more discussion to contrary, and the mods should ban those detractors from progression. More DNA and biological studies that further validate or release for valuable information should be the main focus of forums like these. The compromise of our history should not be a never ending thing.
Social media is perhaps the best promoter of those people gathering projects.
No Afro-Melaninated nationalism is at the root of all major factions Hebrew Israelites, 5 percent - Moors (Muslim), Kemetic science, all have one common foe and that is the Caucasian. Sa-Neter on youtube gives them an outlet to debate, and unity is something that is agreed among them all. Promoting and establishing the platform(s) is the main obstacle.
Some of the prominent speakers on black issues on youtube are working on a social media outlet for our people, but direct contact with them about this for this purpose something that I have not tried to do, but I think is worth a shot. Tariq Nasheed, Boyce Watkins, Sa-Neter all have huge online following. Melanoid nation is Tariq's online site that has forum. He contacted years ago to copy my thread over on that forum, but it was a little too janky as it didn't have all of the text editing options that I needed to make the post impactful with pictures and videos. I'll catch him on youtube or ig live and ask if he's update the forum.
As stated earlier the creolization of our people is an enemy tactic to destroy our people. If the offspring of our little 13% of this population is spread out in loyalty to every other group then they are not for us as Umar Johnson stated. Unless they show otherwise then they are our lost soldiers point blank period. Those otherwise full blooded black soldiers want to go chill with their Mexican grandma when ish gets serious for their black side. That's how Kemet was destroyed. |
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Post by zarahan on Dec 10, 2018 1:15:58 GMT -5
YES!! The creolization of hip hop as we see today is the detriment of the culture. The younger generation of Afro-Americans who seems to be "assimilating" with the "mainstream" are becoming increasingly surburbanized. These suburbanized kids tend to not have a whole heap of black friends to form or juggle a black culture with, and so they learn from an early age to comprise with the non black majority surrounding them. In my city of Louisville - Jefferson county for example, back in the early 2,000's on back the vast majority of the black population lived in the West End, East End, Newburg and some parts of Shively and the projects in the South End. We all tended to see more black people, and contend with authentic black culture on a daily basis. We all had unapologetic black pride in this city, with our own neighborhood dope dealer sponsored celebrations throughout the Summer. We proudly claimed our sides of town as "the black side". Our own youth sports league (The Muhammad Ali league). During the Kentucky Derby after the horse races, THE BLACK WEST END OF LOUISVILLE was the most poppin place in the nation for that night. It was a smaller Freaknik that held it's own. The black businesses along our main corridor (W Broadway) made their main earning that weekend.
"The U.S. Census Bureau released findings from the 2010 Census this month that reveal a dramatic migration underway within black America. Over the past decade, hundreds of thousands of black people have relocated to the South and around the country, have moved from the cities to the suburbs. "
These are all good points but how do you stop this mix and match? I don't think you can at certain levels.
SOme of the creolization is inevitable, and unstoppable. The only question that really remains is what the
framework for the creole mixes are gonna take, and at what levels the lines will be drawn or not.
Part of this is natural and normal- part of the Atlantic World. Throw Indians (native peoples), Spanish/
Portugese souther EUropean whites, northern EUropean whites and black people into the pot, there will be
various mixes, matches and syntheses. At some level, you are gonna have a cultural gumbo, like Brazil.
IN the US this will take time, but its an unstoppable train. The only question is how will the tracks be shaped?
The crackers could NOT STAND that WE had our own thing going on, and we got national attention doing our own black thing in the West End, so they ended REAL cruising on Broadway 12 years ago, and this year they eliminated the last major vendor area of the West End during Derby!
Indeed, and the constant remains white hegemony. Given the power and resource disparity, the only
question for Diasporan black folk is carving out an independent space within that overall hegemonic framework.
Some nationalists speak of "all black" everything, even an independent black sovereign state- but this
is a pipe dream, and a diversion from focusing on more realistic solutions. The white city regime that
shut you down is an example of the hegemonic framework on a local level. There are ways black folk can end run
and overcome such but that takes organization and discipline, not wild individualism, or "thug" posturing
that only builds more negative stereotyping beneficial to racist propagandists.
SOme argue for a "indigenous sovereign citizens" model but this just seems to marginalize
black folk even more. Cats talk about building bridges to Africa yet cannot even get their
passports in order to travel to Africa, or drivers licenses to get to the airport. Meanwhile
other ethnic groups are focusing in the important stuff and moving ahead.
Louisville was so segregated until recently that my grandmother and I saw a white person walking down a prominent black street in the early 2010's, and our jaws dropped because we do no "F*** with white people on our sides of town. Visa Versa When I go go to the gym the "good" gyms are obviously in the white parts of town, and I remember early in this decade they used to stare at me like an animal out of the corner of their eyes when I went anywhere in those parts.
YEs, and the only way to fundamentally overcome this is with INTERNAL discipline, organization and cooperation.
But these things IN PRACTICE are not in so much favor, and hip hoppers are partly to blame with their celebration
of wild individualism, nilhism and materialism. Farrakhan, some CHristian church leaders and a whole ton of people
have been complaining on this for years- how black folk play into the hands of our enemies.
The stereotypical "thug" persona embellished in SOME (not all) ways by some hip hoppers is a typical
example, that simply perpetuates stereotypes of black men. We complain about stereotypes, then
act out in ways that confirm them for our enemies. And these days we film the stupidity for white people
to laugh at on Youtube and Facebook.
White people have picked up on that the level of disorganization and indiscipline, and use those negatives
to bash black folk. RIght wingers, including the racist brigades, are in business in many places because they
can portray black culture as degenerate, and contrast it against an oh so much more virtuous white culture.
White people no longer have to run the old ministrel darkie shows, not does the Klan have to work hard to
come up with anti-black propaganda, because some (not all) some black hip hoppers, as well as an assortment
of blacks on YOutube and elsewhere, and doing all the dirty work for them, and are providing them 24/7
material awash with idiocy, stupidity, violence etc etc.. White racists have it easy these days.
Negroes gonna provide all the rope to hang themselves with..
He eventually had to admit it. Now he's visible reassessing his understanding of blackness. We just have to be real with those blacks on the outskirts of the culture. When they are not checked then they use their black skin to coon and cosign white supremacy out of confusion (from being surrounded by snow).
If you are getting them to step back and take a hard look at the culture and they are responding that is a good thing.
oh I've been done with attempting to correct those Wikipedia pages! Those wiki edit wars and those talk page tabs are controlled by the people who post on those pseudo-science white supremacist biology forums. They will quickly establish a "consensus" that voids out any valid arguments, and their dribble will be law on those pages.
They have been defeated by the wide distribution of the material on alternative forums. You are right not
to bother anymore. They want you tied down on WIkipedia spending all you time there in frustration,
but by using ES, Reloaded, and a network of independent blogs and websites they have been end-run, and GOogle
now gives excellent representation to the broad range of data they tried to keep out. And folk still have
no yet expanded into Facebook as can be done along the same lines. Piss people off enough and this is exactly
what is gong to happen- their dishonest tactics will keep backfiring. But let them "guard" their BS obsolete
pages- things have already moved on, and they their efforts have failed.
I think that a forum that openly invites pro-black intellectuals will bring all corners of the family. Their should be space reserved for all major corners of the conscious communities, and places where invitable debates and progressive discussions should take place. There should also be an active section that allows blacks from the different regions and states to link up economically and socially.
THis is a good point but there are a big number of forums- the field is fragmented.
I donlt think ES is goona be that forum or Reloaded. ES at one time could have been
but control over the platform was lacking. What has Mike111 and other related folk done to
build a forum along the lines you are speaking of?
I mean that while they may make "pro black" arguments they won't push the envelop to the start any real discussions on specific topics. I seriously question those who require that our Afrocentrism (as given by the father of Afrocentrism CA Diop) to be outright legitimized by white researchers (and Western at that). It's sad to see for example "Afrocentrics" who cape for Christopher Ehret a man who directly debated (and lost!!!) against the partner of C.A Diop who is Theophile Obenga. Then Ehret appears to support this "pro African" Hamitic Hypothsis with his theories of "Afro-Asiatic" (which Obenga denies wholeheartedly). A look at his work and see that he tries to make himself appear to be a white liberal friend to Afrocentrism, but with his thesis he is the secret enemy of Afrocentrism. When I see his ish actually stickied on an "Afrocentric" forum it raises my eyebrows. This could possibly be a silent infiltration into Afrocentrism to mislead it's direction. Only the real ones have talked about this.
Fair enough but to be kept in mind is that there are a variety of opinions and approaches. Just because
one guy doenst see things they way you do, does not necessarily make them wrong and you right. Some 'Black Olmec'
notions for example among some people argues that the Olmecs are not "reall"y from Mexico but are from West Africa.
ANother diffusionist school of thought argues that West African voyages showed up to civilize the backward Indian tribes-
which sounds eerily just like the white purveyors of the Hamitic Hypothesis in Africa. ANother claims that people brought over
in the Atlantic slave trade were all "black Jews." Another claims that there were no non-blacks in Kemet until the white Greeks
showed up- ignoring the well documented presence of outside nomads, merchants, war captives etc etc. ALl of these claims have serious
flaws, but their proponents insist that only they are right- only they have "the truth."
In this decade aDNA has confirmed black "Egypt" which is the crux of Afrocentrism. After 2013 the discussions should have entered a new chapter.
That would be nice, but it can be easily be spun into a mixed format. Just pop some "EUrasian" genes into
the pot and they will argue against a black Egypt. ALl the old manipulation is still going on with DNA. WHich
is why I argue that folk should not put all their eggs into the DNA basket or make DNA number one.
The moderators should have been on those trolls. There should be no open challenges to the progression of the collective communities knowledge on the subject.
OK but to do this you have to build your own forum which you exclusively control, where only like-minded
people are allowed.
Social media is perhaps the best promoter of those people gathering projects.
In some ways yes, though social media platforms are often marked by shallowness- Facebook being a
prime example- where many people only want quick memes and 3-line posts in the little boxes and "Likes."
The whole platform is set up to discourage in-depth exploration of an issue since Zuckerberg
cant display and sell as many ads off one long post, compared to 50 short ones or 50 "likes".
Twitter suffers from the same problem- a lack of depth. Instagram? etc etc? Same problem.
[b[Afro-Melaninated nationalism is at the root of all major factions Hebrew Israelites, 5 percent - Moors (Muslim), Kemetic science, all have one common foe and that is the Caucasian. Sa-Neter on youtube gives them an outlet to debate, and unity is something that is agreed among them all. Promoting and establishing the platform(s) is the main obstacle. [/b]
A common foe can create unity to a point. I have no problem with the concept. But the thing many nationalists
these days seem to be asking is about the fragmentation problem. Many yougstas don;t seem to give much of
a damn about the nationalist histories and approaches- they are mostly into media culture and materialism.
Oh there may be LIP SERVICE to certain memes but not much depth. Unfortunately some popular rappers have
pushed the very sane consumerism and materialism, and are providing enemies with more than enough ammo
to use against black folk. Ironically hip hop itself has build bridges to Creolized culture through the
broad appeal of the music, limiting its usefulness as a "Pure" organizing vehicle.
So we are back to the question of what will move the needle beyond:
- a shallow materialism?
-shaky media presence?
- stereotypical memes that give detractors ammo against black folk?
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Post by anansi on Dec 10, 2018 2:07:37 GMT -5
Asante said ;It's sad to see for example "Afrocentrics" who cape for Christopher Ehret a man who directly debated (and lost!!!) against the partner of C.A Diop who is Theophile Obenga. Then Ehret appears to support this "pro African" Hamitic Hypothsis with his theories of "Afro-Asiatic" (which Obenga denies) The language phylum can be argued with new information, and Asar Imhotep have argued against it, and others with a linguistic bent have argued against him ,but the stickied information have more than just the Afrisan language phylum on it, remember he chose the name "Afrisan " over Afroasiatic , as away of keeping that Asia thing out,but both he and Diop knew there are no such thing as sacred cows. Diop told the up and coming to challenge his ideas and not shy away from correcting his work, in this the man was a true scientist, able to chuck his ego to the side for the advancement of knowledge. Ehret believed that a study's usefulness is about 10 yrs there is always a question of new information reviews and corrections are in order. Diop said. [ Anthropologist have invented the ingenious, convenient, fictional notion of the “true Negro,” which allows them to consider, if need be, all the real Negroes on earth as fake Negroes, more or less approaching a kind of Platonic archetype, without ever attaining it. Thus, African history is full of “Negroids,” Hamites, semi-Hamites, Nilo-Hamitics, Ethiopoids, Sabaeans, even Caucasoids! Yet, if one stuck strictly to scientific data and archeological facts, the prototype of the White race would be sought in vain throughout the earliest years of present-day humanity.] www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/338369.Cheikh_Anta_DiopRemember when we had our back and forth on the question of who "our" people is based off phenotype?? WHAT AFRICAN WRITERS CAN LEARN FROM CHEIKH ANTA DIOP. [Afropessimism, a stream of intellectual filth oozing from the same cesspool as the most rabid racism. The ideal profile of this new type of author is easy to sketch out: it is not enough for them to spit venom at Africa and Africans all the time, they must also claim to be born after the independences and, as such, have nothing whatsoever to say about colonisation and the slave trade. This writer would greatly appreciate it if we could definitively get over playing victims and blackmailing guilt-ridden Europeans and westerners with our aberrant demands for reparations and repentance. In a nutshell: a literature that started out labelling itself “Black African” has ended up becoming “Black Parisian”, and everybody seems fine with this state of affairs.] chimurengachronic.co.za/what-african-writers-can-learn-from-cheikh-anta-diop/Afro-Essentrics a phrase coined by one of our own, yes I am wary of them too, outside the realm of fiction or even science fiction leads to all kind of mess and confusion,yes Euro-Essentrics do it and do it well, and "they" get to get away with it, we cannot follow them down that rabbit hole, Thus we get into all New world Black folks aren't Africans, not just a few or some but aaaall are lost Hebrews or Moors or even nativist First world Americans, the slave ships were a myth because they couldn't find the remains of one..so they say until recently. Then there are the Aliens from ouuuter spacccce!! But Black Space aliens instead of tall Blond Whites from Aldebaran or somewhere. All the above is ok on an open forum tho, just place it in the right folder who ever respond to counter so let it be. |
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Post by zarahan on Dec 10, 2018 8:13:21 GMT -5
The language phylum can be argued with new information, and Asar Imhotep have argued against it, and others with a linguistic bent have argued against him ,but the stickied information have more than just the Afrisan language phylum on it, remember he chose the name "Afrisan " over Afroasiatic , as away of keeping that Asia thing out..Exactly. I think some folk want models and approaches to only go their way, as part of their ideological agenda, and any who disagree are evil Uncle toms and so forth. This is just another special pleading ideological cry -see it my way, or you are wrong. Did you say Asar disagreed with Obenga? What was his thinking on those lines? ,but both he and Diop knew there are no such thing as sacred cows. Diop told the up and coming to challenge his ideas and not shy away from correcting his work, in this the man was a true scientist, able to chuck his ego to the side for the advancement of knowledge.Yes, and Diop was right. It doesnt mean you can't have your own particular model, but you have to use evidence and data and logic to make your case. And you can't merely think that everybody should drop everything and accept your argument. There will be a diversity of views even by people who agree on the basic data, even as the data may shift as time goes on. Certain aspects of Diop as far as data or politics are outdated, others are not. He himself did not expect to be correct for all time on every aspect of the field. Diop called for polyvalent teams- this will involve some diversity of thought and approach.  Afro-Essentrics a phrase coined by one of our own, yes I am wary of them too, outside the realm of fiction or even science fiction leads to all kind of mess and confusion,yes Euro-Essentrics do it and do it well, and "they" get to get away with it, we cannot follow them down that rabbit hole,
Thus we get into all New world Black folks aren't Africans, not just a few or some but aaaall are lost Hebrews or Moors or even nativist First world Americans, the slave ships were a myth because they couldn't find the remains of one..so they say until recently.
Then there are the Aliens from ouuuter spacccce!! But Black Space aliens instead of tall Blond Whites from Aldebaran or somewhere.^^There is a lot of this stuff on Facebook- some of it from trolls and agents, but some of it that some black folk actually believe, and they will not invest the time in learning real history and data. They prefer "fast food" memes to "share" and "like" even when it is clearly bogus, or weak. THis is another problem put there. Diop insisted on data, and evidence etc. Others though invoke his name but primarily dwell on rhetorical approaches and have little intention of seriously engaging evidence and data- lip service yes, serious engagement- no. www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/must_see/46474482/cherrie-the-scandinavian-rnb-star-with-somali-roots^^As far as cultural mixing and blending, here is a SOmali girl tearing it up in Scandinavia. Is she "non-authentic" because white people like her music or a "traitor" to her race? I certainly think shallowness and materialism as far as "pop" culture can be criticized but notions of "traitor" seem out of wack.. and would be rejected by many young people.
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In this decade aDNA has confirmed black "Egypt" which is the crux of Afrocentrism. After 2013 the discussions should have entered a new chapter.