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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 14, 2018 23:24:23 GMT -5
Anglophones in Cameroon claim the soil of Amba and its natural resources to back Ambacoin cryptocurrency.
Similar to Maafa Descendents, who aren't emigrating from a land vested in their fore-generations blood, sweat, and tears, for a dreamland known only from books, the Amba aren't going anywhere.
Fear of 'deportation' led USA blacks to abandon African primary identity for terms like coloured and negro, iirc.
The Liberation Struggle is ongoing and elder 70's figureheads, who themselves stood on the shoulders of giants, are telling y'all to take up the mantle.
Check YouTube for Madhubuti (50 continuous years in the struggle, let him rest a bit) on Malcolm X real not reinvented. Well worth downloading to watch. This is authentic independent minded liberation struggle 'black nationalism' par excellance.
If vendor sales look good 3rd World Press or Black Classic Press might pub & distribute [inter]nationaly to reach the audience/readership you want to target.
Hell, hit 'em up any blessed way. The people need a up to speed makeover-plus-much-more Rogers/Jackson/Doc Ben new type broadbase intro to the, per Mbo A00 nryDNA, 300000 year old history of the African Black man and woman.
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Post by zarahan on Dec 15, 2018 12:36:58 GMT -5
The Amba folk are certainly carving out some alternative options-it would be nice to see their
local currency take off and boost local/regional prosperity for people in that area.
Speaking of deportation I was reading the other day a book called "The Defender" -by Ethan Michaeli,
a history of the legendary Chicago Defender newspaper- good read so far. But I was kinda disappointed
to read that it was the editor of the paper, Robert Abbot, who hired a private investigator to help
set Marcus Garvey up, according to the book.
When Garvey was in CHicago to make a speech to about 150 attendees, Abbot beforehand hired a black
private investigator to purchase 2 shares of stock int he Black Star Line shipping company. He then
collaborated with white officials to use this purchase (no evidence of fraud was found at the time)
to issue an arrest warrant for Marcus Garvey for "stock sale violations". Sure enough, as Garvey
mounted the podium in CHicago to make his speech, white plains-clothes police appeared to serve
the arrest warrant, and took him away, ensuring that Garvey would never be able to deliver his speech,
and adding to the list of government charges (some bogus) against Marcus Mosiah Garvey. Granted, Garvey
had been feuding with the editor in previous weeks, and set up the speech location a short distance
from the Defender's headquarters, perhaps to denounce it.
Still I was taken aback to read this. I knew of course that a number of black establishment figures had disagreed
with Garvey and opposed to him. And sure, Garvey often hurt his own case with his bombastic style and some
ill-advised moves, and failed to run a tight business ship, but I had thought it was mostly J Edgar Hoover
and his agents doing the dirty work against him.
The depth of collaboration between the establishment blacks and Hoover and gubment agents- some of whom would
in the future bring pain and Hoover's sting to the anti-Garveyites, like WE Dubois, surprised me nevertheless.
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Post by asante on Dec 15, 2018 13:08:36 GMT -5
^^Why Miles Runs the Voodoo down? Isn't that an example of "fusion" approaches? Part of the cultural mix and match spoken of above? Is this a good or bad thing?  But some questions to throw out to y'all three then: 1- What do you see as the future of hip hop in terms of the "next wave" or dominant style? (if any) It really depends. If the legends in the game put their foot down and stop cosigning fuckery for checks then the cultural can be saved. I feel that if there is not an immediate cultural rally or a 25th dynasty if you will to revive the art then it will go the way of Rock n Roll. Hiphop has historically always promoted rebellion against white supremacy. Some rebellious acts are more effective then others. White folk are very aware of the effectiveness of hiphop at delivering a message to our people. For that reason whites HAD to put their hands into what we were/are listening to. The video above with Scarface and Ice Cube talking about being down with Khalid Muhammad (the only denounced by Congress in US history) scared tf out of people, because it showed that we were still on code to link up against them for our liberation! They have no business in our culture when these messages are being given to those who it needs to be given to. These songs garnered alot of popularity, but white people will have you think that this was never a major theme in early hiphop music. No the nationalism never ever dissappeared. The white folks who were allowed to be the heads of hiphop within the last two to three decades, will make an artist screaming a nationalist message feel as though his message is being echoed into an empty chamber. They want black people to get the impression that only a few black people are still on the nationalist tip, and that the vast majority embrace seeing, whites, Asians, Hispanics and all other races (who normally don't f^ck with us and even have vitriol against) in our culture under false notion of an all inclusive culture BUILT BY BLACKS, but is for everyone. And I say f^ck that notion. Keep hip hop black and keep tags on the vultures who we allow into our culture.
Hot the EPITOME of culture vulturism in hiphop. Here you have an ENTIRE panel of non black people discussing black culture. That is propaganda to make non blacks comfortable with hi-jacking our culture under the guise of "it's everyone's culture", and I say f*ck all of that. |
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Post by africurious on Dec 16, 2018 13:45:29 GMT -5
The Amba folk are certainly carving out some alternative options-it would be nice to see their local currency take off and boost local/regional prosperity for people in that area. Speaking of deportation I was reading the other day a book called "The Defender" -by Ethan Michaeli, a history of the legendary Chicago Defender newspaper- good read so far. But I was kinda disappointed to read that it was the editor of the paper, Robert Abbot, who hired a private investigator to help set Marcus Garvey up, according to the book. When Garvey was in CHicago to make a speech to about 150 attendees, Abbot beforehand hired a black private investigator to purchase 2 shares of stock int he Black Star Line shipping company. He then collaborated with white officials to use this purchase (no evidence of fraud was found at the time) to issue an arrest warrant for Marcus Garvey for "stock sale violations". Sure enough, as Garvey mounted the podium in CHicago to make his speech, white plains-clothes police appeared to serve the arrest warrant, and took him away, ensuring that Garvey would never be able to deliver his speech, and adding to the list of government charges (some bogus) against Marcus Mosiah Garvey. Granted, Garvey had been feuding with the editor in previous weeks, and set up the speech location a short distance from the Defender's headquarters, perhaps to denounce it. Still I was taken aback to read this. I knew of course that a number of black establishment figures had disagreed with Garvey and opposed to him. And sure, Garvey often hurt his own case with his bombastic style and some ill-advised moves, and failed to run a tight business ship, but I had thought it was mostly J Edgar Hoover and his agents doing the dirty work against him. The depth of collaboration between the establishment blacks and Hoover and gubment agents- some of whom would in the future bring pain and Hoover's sting to the anti-Garveyites, like WE Dubois, surprised me nevertheless. Damn, man, always got some dumbass folks who let pride, greed and other personal failings let them collaborate with oppressor against black rivals. Everyone won’t get along but working with the gov in this case was going too far. Also, glad you posted this cuz it was a few months ago we had some ppl on this forum talking about how whites/American gov is using immigrant blacks to hold AAs back and begrudging immigrant blacks of their achievements eventho we all in the same struggle. Now here you have the black nationalist par excellance who is a black immigrant leading an international black movement and his destruction is aided by AAs helping the Am govt/white man. The loud mouths of course ain’t got nothing to say about this, smh. |
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Post by africurious on Dec 16, 2018 14:02:20 GMT -5
No the nationalism never ever dissappeared. The white folks who were allowed to be the heads of hiphop within the last two to three decades, will make an artist screaming a nationalist message feel as though his message is being echoed into an empty chamber. They want black people to get the impression that only a few black people are still on the nationalist tip, and that the vast majority embrace seeing, whites, Asians, Hispanics and all other races (who normally don't f^ck with us and even have vitriol against) in our culture under false notion of an all inclusive culture BUILT BY BLACKS, but is for everyone. And I say f^ck that notion. Keep hip hop black and keep tags on the vultures who we allow into our culture. Hot the EPITOME of culture vulturism in hiphop. Here you have an ENTIRE panel of non black people discussing black culture. That is propaganda to make non blacks comfortable with hi-jacking our culture under the guise of "it's everyone's culture", and I say f*ck all of that. You sound like you need to get out and explore the world more. Walling yourself off in a black bubble won’t help blacks in the US move fwd. Yes a lot of non-blacks are racist and don’t f with us but a lot of them also do f with us. Blacks are only 12-13% of the US and we’ll need allies. As long as they respect us then they’re a potential political ally. It’s hard to help your people when you don’t have allies and aren’t friends with them. Also, ppl have been borrowing culture since the existence of human beings so I don’t know how you propose to stop that. |
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Post by asante on Dec 16, 2018 16:40:52 GMT -5
No the nationalism never ever dissappeared. The white folks who were allowed to be the heads of hiphop within the last two to three decades, will make an artist screaming a nationalist message feel as though his message is being echoed into an empty chamber. They want black people to get the impression that only a few black people are still on the nationalist tip, and that the vast majority embrace seeing, whites, Asians, Hispanics and all other races (who normally don't f^ck with us and even have vitriol against) in our culture under false notion of an all inclusive culture BUILT BY BLACKS, but is for everyone. And I say f^ck that notion. Keep hip hop black and keep tags on the vultures who we allow into our culture. Hot the EPITOME of culture vulturism in hiphop. Here you have an ENTIRE panel of non black people discussing black culture. That is propaganda to make non blacks comfortable with hi-jacking our culture under the guise of "it's everyone's culture", and I say f*ck all of that. You sound like you need to get out and explore the world more. Ok sure! Well then give me some suggestions on where I should go. What groups of people do YOU think that I should be around. Collectively practicing Black group economics is not the key to solving the our main issues here in this country? What are we supposed to go link up with Hispanics and Asians? Oh no wait THEY actually do "wall" themselves away from other groups to reach a common economic goal. Thanks to their lack of inclusiveness of other groups they have successfully colonized many parts of the black community, and there is no shade from me towards them for that. It's them simply being smart, NOT friendly. But you on the other hand are saying that black people doing this is "hostile" "angry" and all of all of your other white liberal endorsed statements of detraction away from black social-economic unity. You're coming into America thinking that you know the game, when you don't really know ish. What Ali (another real one from Louisville) said about not all white people being bad applies to those other groups that the white supremacist co-op over here in America. These were the words of one of the realest leaders in our lifetime, but they likely make you cringe. That British white boy interviewing didn't any "logical" response to what the man said! He had candid "you really mean that" responses along with laughs. He knew that he was dealing with a smart non brain washed black man. He could not present his white liberal "put your guard down around us" that YOU would likely eat up, because Ali had already set the narrative with real talk.
You have to be honest about the attitude of alot of Africans (and immigrants in general). You people don't see yourselves as aligned with us a lot of the time, and many times I see that Africans appear to be vetted by white people before they are allowed here. There are groups of Africans who derogatory names towards American blacks like "akata" and ish like that. So y'all got that nasty culture towards us, and you're bringing it here to America with the hand of our ultimate Foe. Essentially a divide and conquer scheme that silly ignorant ass Africans are really playing up with. In case you don't know African coons with that attitude are really being put on the hot seat by the conscious community abroad.
Africans are coming over here not trying to link up with black people here, but to one up us. Y'all sound like Asians, and y'all really don't know the perils of doing that to us.
My point went right over your head. You Africans with your silly attitudes are the sleeper cells that Tariq Nasheed mentioned. Listen to poor African girl who was adopted by white people. This is all the information needed explaining why so many African immigrants who come over here are so detached from African Americans.
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Post by asante on Dec 16, 2018 16:57:17 GMT -5
The Amba folk are certainly carving out some alternative options-it would be nice to see their local currency take off and boost local/regional prosperity for people in that area. Speaking of deportation I was reading the other day a book called "The Defender" -by Ethan Michaeli, a history of the legendary Chicago Defender newspaper- good read so far. But I was kinda disappointed to read that it was the editor of the paper, Robert Abbot, who hired a private investigator to help set Marcus Garvey up, according to the book. When Garvey was in CHicago to make a speech to about 150 attendees, Abbot beforehand hired a black private investigator to purchase 2 shares of stock int he Black Star Line shipping company. He then collaborated with white officials to use this purchase (no evidence of fraud was found at the time) to issue an arrest warrant for Marcus Garvey for "stock sale violations". Sure enough, as Garvey mounted the podium in CHicago to make his speech, white plains-clothes police appeared to serve the arrest warrant, and took him away, ensuring that Garvey would never be able to deliver his speech, and adding to the list of government charges (some bogus) against Marcus Mosiah Garvey. Granted, Garvey had been feuding with the editor in previous weeks, and set up the speech location a short distance from the Defender's headquarters, perhaps to denounce it. Still I was taken aback to read this. I knew of course that a number of black establishment figures had disagreed with Garvey and opposed to him. And sure, Garvey often hurt his own case with his bombastic style and some ill-advised moves, and failed to run a tight business ship, but I had thought it was mostly J Edgar Hoover and his agents doing the dirty work against him. The depth of collaboration between the establishment blacks and Hoover and gubment agents- some of whom would in the future bring pain and Hoover's sting to the anti-Garveyites, like WE Dubois, surprised me nevertheless. Don't put words in my mouth. I f*cking brag about the scholastic and intellectual achievements of African immigrants particularly in the UK. Address what tf I was actually getting at, which is a point that you ironically conceded to. You Africans are coming over here with a silly silly attitude towards the blacks who built the country and were systematically held back. If you can't acknowledge that fact then FORGET YOU AND YOUR KIND (coon haters and traitors). Look at the ignorance of many Africans towards the whites.
Shameless Coons! Bringing that over here to America. No wonder you all have an "all inclusive" attitude. Now here you have the black nationalist par excellance who is a black immigrant leading an international black movement and his destruction is aided by AAs helping the Am govt/white man. The loud mouths of course ain’t got nothing to say about this, smh. He was destroyed and prosecuted exclusively by the US government. Malcolm X HAD HATERs, AND WAS HATED BY MOST DURING HIS LIFE TIME...THURGOOD MARSHALL WHO BECAME THE FIRST BLACK US SUPREME JUSTICE WAS A STARK MALCOLM X HATER. so what tf are you talking about besides a FEW coons who are put on a pedal stool by our white foes? You Africans are so f^cking lost in sauce, that TO THIS DAY...YOU MF ARE SELLING YOUR LAND TO WHITE PEOPLE AND CHINESE FOR TRINKETTES....How many more stories do we have to read about Chinese MEN coming over there f*cking your women, and creating a mixed race class of "native" citizens who WILL THEN HAVE THE RIGHTS TO SELL YOUR COUNTRY TO CHINA WHO THEY WILL ALIGN WITH WHEN THEY GET OLDER. How stupid can Africans be to fall for trick that they are recovering from to this date. The consistent stupidity in African leadership is the reason why many Afro-Americans are ashamed to be black. We can't go home and be safe from white supremacy, because dumb African leaders allowed AFRICOM EVERYWHERE ON THE CONTINENT!!! Guess what Obama signed a law that those soldiers can kill US citizens who visit those countries to the ignorant African out you all up on game! They are taking your land because you MF's are too busy trying to come over to the West to get "good jobs" and one up the native blacks. www.nytimes.com/2018/03/28/world/africa/ghana-us-military-deal-protests.htmlThis is the reason why people call you all dumb! The president of Ghana chief Poopoo SOLD HIS PEOPLE OUT FOR SOME F*CKIN TRINKETTS....AGAIN!!!! Don't EVER fix your lips to talk about us! Quit trying to act like y'all know more about the situation of racism than the people who have dealt with it overtly for the last 5 centuries. |
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Post by africurious on Dec 16, 2018 19:28:09 GMT -5
You sound like you need to get out and explore the world more. Ok sure! Well then give me some suggestions on where I should go. What groups of people do YOU think that I should be around. I suggest you take ppl on an individual basis. Be open to friendships/acquaintances from any group so long as you feel they treat you like they would their own group. In some some cases a non-black person who is your friend may say/do some ish that is racist or borderline so. If you check them and they’re open to dialog then you may show them the light. If they’re too defensive or beyond reach then let them go kick rocks. Did you know that the iconic black gloves worn by Tommie Smith and John Carlos in their protest at the 1968 olympics was given to them by their white friend who came third in the race, Peter Norman? And Peter is from racist as hell Australia. They told Peter that they wanted to protest and why and he felt their plight and wanted to help. He gave them each 1 hand of his glove which is why they only wore one glove each of the opposite hand. They in turn gave Peter pins for various causes to wear on his jacket. Peter suffered for siding with them as the Australians refused to allow him to represent them at the olympics again unless he apologized for supporting their protest. He refused and was persona non-grata among many in Australia for decades. Tommie and John (who both suffered even more) journeyed all the way to Australia when Peter died and were among the paul bearers for Peter's casket. He was their brother. Individuals aren't necessarily the same as their general group. Walling yourself off in a black bubble won’t help blacks in the US move fwd. Collectively practicing Black group economics is not the key to solving the our main issues here in this country? What are we supposed to go link up with Hispanics and Asians? Oh no wait THEY actually do "wall" themselves away from other groups to reach a common economic goal. Thanks to their lack of inclusiveness of other groups they have successfully colonized many parts of the black community, and there is no shade from me towards them for that. It's them simply being smart, NOT friendly. But you on the other hand are saying that black people doing this is "hostile" "angry" and all of all of your other white liberal endorsed statements of detraction away from black social-economic unity. Economics knows no race. It either works or it doesn’t. Blacks in America can’t progress by walling themselves off economically even if that were possible. Blacks are the poorest or 2nd poorest group in the country and only 12-13% of the pop so why would any business person only depend on their $s to make themselves successful as possible? Ex: go to almost any nationalist/woke/revolutionary rapper’s concert and there’ll be many whites and other non-blacks there and they also buy their records. And no, non-blacks do not wall themselves off economically to be successful. As you said many of them have businesses in black neighborhoods. Also the ones who are successful are that way cuz of sorting i.e. a disproportionately high % of immigrants from almost any country tend to be from the more educated well-off classes. They don’t just go to work for their own group or sell to their own group. You’re all emotion and no practicality nor even grounding in facts. Yes a lot of non-blacks are racist and don’t f with us but a lot of them also do f with us. You're coming into America thinking that you know the game, when you don't really know ish. What Ali (another real one from Louisville) said about not all white people being bad applies to those other groups that the white supremacist co-op over here in America. These were the words of one of the realest leaders in our lifetime, but they likely make you cringe. That British white boy interviewing didn't any "logical" response to what the man said! He had candid "you really mean that" responses along with laughs. He knew that he was dealing with a smart non brain washed black man. He could not present his white liberal "put your guard down around us" that YOU would likely eat up, because Ali had already set the narrative with real talk. You have to be honest about the attitude of alot of Africans (and immigrants in general). You people don't see yourselves as aligned with us a lot of the time, and many times I see that Africans appear to be vetted by white people before they are allowed here. There are groups of Africans who derogatory names towards American blacks like "akata" and ish like that. So y'all got that nasty culture towards us, and you're bringing it here to America with the hand of our ultimate Foe. Essentially a divide and conquer scheme that silly ignorant ass Africans are really playing up with. In case you don't know African coons with that attitude are really being put on the hot seat by the conscious community abroad. Africans are coming over here not trying to link up with black people here, but to one up us. Y'all sound like Asians, and y'all really don't know the perils of doing that to us. My point went right over your head. You Africans with your silly attitudes are the sleeper cells that Tariq Nasheed mentioned. Listen to poor African girl who was adopted by white people. This is all the information needed explaining why so many African immigrants who come over here are so detached from African Americans. You don't even understand what Muhammad Ali was saying. You realize he had white friends and had a white man (Angelo Dundee) train him right? Why use a white man when there were tons of great black trainers around? Ali recognized that whites as a group were out to harm blacks but that didn't mean some individual whites couldn't be friends or allies or be worked with. This is what one of his white friends said of their 1st meeting www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/unlikely-story-muhammad-ali-been-7526257: Yes, there are some africans who talk badly about AAs just like there're many AAs who talk badly about africans and other black immigrants. All you have is more venom and no real solid argument. You're bitter and lashing out at everyone who isn't AA and even AAs who don't meet your approval for enough real blackness. Stay in your small bitter world then. |
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Post by africurious on Dec 16, 2018 19:55:40 GMT -5
Don't put words in my mouth. I f*cking brag about the scholastic and intellectual achievements of African immigrants particularly in the UK. Address what tf I was actually getting at, which is a point that you ironically conceded to. You Africans are coming over here with a silly silly attitude towards the blacks who built the country and were systematically held back. If you can't acknowledge that fact then FORGET YOU AND YOUR KIND (coon haters and traitors). Look at the ignorance of many Africans towards the whites. Ok, cool. You call ppl a bunch of names and have nothing else to offer. Yup, I like how you explain away how an AA sold out an immgrant black leading what was until then the largest black movement in the country. I know let's not let facts get in the way of things. All hail AAs, the realest blacks ever!!! I see what kind of person you are. Let's look at this lil gem you wrote: So you're praising a drug dealer for sponsoring celebrations in your community and all you got to say is how poppin the parties were on your black side of town. What your ignorant self doesn't realize is that you only got an all black neighborhood cuz the whiteman wanted to keep our asses in separate poverty stricken area. You talk about how the good gyms are "obviously in the white parts of town" and don't realize why that is. It doesn't matter right? Cuz you were all supposedly so filled with black pride and got it "poppin". You complain about blacks moving to suburbs and don't even understand why that is. Maybe they're trying to make a better life for themselves and get away from ppl like you. Yo ass is stuck in a poor area and lack much knowledge of the outside world aside from ish you see on tv or internet. I know ppl like you. Ignorant and loving that ish. And y'all tend to be bitter too. Talk a lot of crap about black this and that without any practical plans. Well stay bitter and get it poppin at parties sponsored by drug dealers. Other blacks got better things to do and the world will move fwd while you and your descendants enjoy measely incomes, violent and rundown neighborhoods. |
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Post by asante on Dec 16, 2018 21:32:18 GMT -5
Don't put words in my mouth. I f*cking brag about the scholastic and intellectual achievements of African immigrants particularly in the UK. Address what tf I was actually getting at, which is a point that you ironically conceded to. You Africans are coming over here with a silly silly attitude towards the blacks who built the country and were systematically held back. If you can't acknowledge that fact then FORGET YOU AND YOUR KIND (coon haters and traitors). Look at the ignorance of many Africans towards the whites. Well some African immigrants are in fact shameless coons, as shown in the video example. Do you have a name of the "AA" who sold out Marcus Garvey. Bad analogy. The vast majority of his supporters were Afro Americans, so the your point is moot. Well context is of the upmost importance in this discussion you silly coon. See the initial conversation was about cultural appropriation by white people of black culture. I used the Kentucky Derby example to show the cultural impact that local influential blacks had back during a time of less civic restrictions. Those former dope dealers (who get their money and get out of the game) were big time realtors by the time they openly flaunted their money. Essentially they gave back to the communities that they were taught to take from. Your point? Very true. Our relationships with Caucasians were not hospitable. The few times that blacks had ventured out of the black areas here in Louisville like in Shivley and the Fern Creek (klan country) their houses were bombed. Now when ish like that happens, the real Negroes would click up and say we do our thing. Now interestingly from "my" experience I am related to and acquainted with a couple of blacks who were among the first in the city who dared to venture out into the hostile salty cracker neighborhoods. Let me tell you that those Negroes are certified COONS! Those individuals who felt that they had to be around white people even through threats of violence "to be different" are republican voting; trump loving stop and frisk supporting coons. Again that is from "my" experience. Now once that they "paved" the way other blacks felt it was safe to move into those neighborhoods increasingly, and now you have a migration from the inner cities fragmenting our political base by splintering into various "nice" neighborhoods throughout the city. Yes, the reason for the "nice" facilities being on the "white" side of town is because "white" people own over 90% of the wealth in the city, the state and the country dumbass.
They have no tangible interest in investing "nice things" over in a poverty stricken side of town, unless the city offered incentives. [/quote]  To move away from "me" to be with people like who? Not really I live in Lithonia, Ga which is actually one of the wealthiest black suburbs in the US per capita you dumb f*ck, and is one of the blackest areas in the city. I live up the street from Stone Crest mall. That is far from a poverty stricken area. My house is shitting on yours I'm a CPA you ashy b*tch. Absolutely not. I'm young, and getting it. My body is banging, and I'm constantly offered modeling gigs. I have sex with whoever I want, and I have money. My investment portfolio is sh*tting on yours. and YOU.. can keep sucking pink genitalia until the give you your green card. Make your country better you dumbass. I'm more accomplished in my late twenties then most blacks AND whites  . Gtfo Rafiki! You must be talking about YOUR HOME country. lol I'm glad that you came up from the move hut, but you only moved into the field n*gga. |
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Post by asante on Dec 16, 2018 22:12:30 GMT -5
Ok sure! Well then give me some suggestions on where I should go. What groups of people do YOU think that I should be around. I suggest you take ppl on an individual basis. I'd rather take Muhammad Ali's approach, as stated in the video Collectively practicing Black group economics is not the key to solving the our main issues here in this country? What are we supposed to go link up with Hispanics and Asians? Oh no wait THEY actually do "wall" themselves away from other groups to reach a common economic goal. Thanks to their lack of inclusiveness of other groups they have successfully colonized many parts of the black community, and there is no shade from me towards them for that. It's them simply being smart, NOT friendly. But you on the other hand are saying that black people doing this is "hostile" "angry" and all of all of your other white liberal endorsed statements of detraction away from black social-economic unity. Actually African Americans are the 15th richest nation all walled off by itself. Keeping that money circulating in our community is what made black wall street in Tulsa not only the richest black community, but one of the richest communities period! Money Stayed Inside the Community
The dollar circulated 36 to 100 times in this tight-knit community, according to sfbayview.com. A single dollar might have stayed in Tulsa for almost a year before leaving the Black community. Comparatively in modern times, a dollar can circulate in Asian communities for a month, Jewish communities for 20 days and white communities for 17, but it leaves the modern-day Black community in six hours, according to reports from the NAACP." Those blacks started their economy with the good earnings that they received from doing subservient jobs for the oil rich white population of Tulsa. They established businesses that only catered to the black population. In a time when the entire state of Oklahoma had only two airports, six Black families owned their own planes. The average income for a Black family was well over what minimum wage is today. Dr. Simon Berry, who owned the bus system in Tulsa, recalls that in 1910 his average income was around $500 a day, according to reports from sfbayview.com....When the community was burned down in the Tulsa Race Riot, over 800 people were admitted to surrounding hospitals, an estimated 10,000 were left homeless, 35 city blocks housing 1,256 residences were destroyed, and 600 successful businesses were lost, including 21 restaurants, 30 grocery stores, two movie theaters and a hospital. The Ku Klux Klan-led riot lasted for over 16 hours.
So as you can see "walled off" black economics certainly worked for us before. You should really reassess your logic when say that my notion of black group economics does not work. We see from the black wall-street example that this has historically been our best option economically. You say that doing this is "mean" and "hostile" though. I think that your mindset is dangerous to progression of black people, and I hope that it does not spread. That's a hustle. White people need our culture to have a culture in some way shape or form. I don't see them as "friends", because they like our culture. They don't really have a sustainable population outside of "China towns" to really sell their products to each other. That's why Asian businesses tend be stereotypically subservient while in white neighborhoods (salons and high end restaurants), and parasitic (liquor stores, cheap restaurants and hair shops) in the impoverished black communities. They get hella tax breaks and bank loans advantages (like actually getting them) over Afro-Americans when starting up a business, I don't knock them for their hustle, but black people need to see that as economic warfare. That million dollar liquor store profit is not going to benefit the neighboring black community in any way shape or form in Mr. Chang's pockets. I'm quite certain that the hair industry will be snatched back by Afro-American women in the next decade. It's not emotional, but the cities tend to harass black businesses. There was an epidemic up in Northern metro Atlanta around Sandy Springs, in which black businesses were harassed by city officials and avoided (by patrons) simply because it was a black business in a white area.
You're coming into America thinking that you know the game, when you don't really know ish. What Ali (another real one from Louisville) said about not all white people being bad applies to those other groups that the white supremacist co-op over here in America. These were the words of one of the realest leaders in our lifetime, but they likely make you cringe. That British white boy interviewing didn't any "logical" response to what the man said! He had candid "you really mean that" responses along with laughs. He knew that he was dealing with a smart non brain washed black man. He could not present his white liberal "put your guard down around us" that YOU would likely eat up, because Ali had already set the narrative with real talk. You have to be honest about the attitude of alot of Africans (and immigrants in general). You people don't see yourselves as aligned with us a lot of the time, and many times I see that Africans appear to be vetted by white people before they are allowed here. There are groups of Africans who derogatory names towards American blacks like "akata" and ish like that. So y'all got that nasty culture towards us, and you're bringing it here to America with the hand of our ultimate Foe. Essentially a divide and conquer scheme that silly ignorant ass Africans are really playing up with. In case you don't know African coons with that attitude are really being put on the hot seat by the conscious community abroad. Africans are coming over here not trying to link up with black people here, but to one up us. Y'all sound like Asians, and y'all really don't know the perils of doing that to us. My point went right over your head. You Africans with your silly attitudes are the sleeper cells that Tariq Nasheed mentioned. Listen to poor African girl who was adopted by white people. This is all the information needed explaining why so many African immigrants who come over here are so detached from African Americans. Don't tell me what I don't know about Ali. You don't know ish. You're not from Louisville! My granddad went to school with Cassius Clay, and knew him. Ali LEFT the Nation of Islam, because Farakkhan essentially went "soft" on the anti white rhetoric. Ali openly said that he does not want any white mixed grandchildren. He said that he wants his daughters to date black men for black grandchildren. It doesn't get any blacker than that. To navigate through the boxing business. Yes he did! You missed this part.
Dude..White people HATED Muhammad Ali until he got Parkinson's disease, and couldn't talk sh*t about them anymore. You are soooo ignorant of the social history of this country, and very intricate details of major situations. You sound like a typical white liberal with your anti pro-black rhetoric, or your typical brain washed African. Thinks he knows more about the social dynamic of this country more than the people who have been here for much longer. |
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Post by anansi on Dec 16, 2018 23:28:58 GMT -5
Asante :[ Africans are coming over here not trying to link up with black people here, but to one up us. Y'all sound like Asians, and y'all really don't know the perils of doing that to us. My point went right over your head. You Africans with your silly attitudes are the sleeper cells that Tariq Nasheed mentioned. Listen to poor African girl who was adopted by white people. This is all the information needed explaining why so many African immigrants who come over here are so detached from African Americans. ]
That is not really true, yes first generation immigrants can be clannish, but rarely goes beyond that,they generally fused into the greater AA population,maybe your town's social life is different, but in my town cohabitation and mingling is the norm, this include Island Hispanics,
{ Mexicans,Guatemalans,Peruvians } maybe a different story,depending on where you live.
See it's like this,everyone is afflicted or effected by WS, that's why Colorism is still a thing not only among non AA communities but also within the old line AA population,conversely clap back against that is also occurri g within those groups, one can get to a point where everyone who is not exactly like you in thought is the enemy, and gwaad help those who do not toe the line if you gain unlimited power, recipe for genocide.
BTW checkout the collabs between Dr Mumbi Saraki and Phi of TheAdviseshow ,building bridges..these are just a few nongovernmental ppl to ppl approaches that are active now.
At Al- Takruri, true Jamaica ain't no Barbados similar bit not the exact same history, violence tied to rebelliousness is very longstanding on the Island,Maroons,slaves under rebellion and pirates within a frame work of a brutal plantocracy will produced something less than paradise.
On the bad side it produced rebels, on the good side it produce rebels.
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Post by asante on Dec 17, 2018 0:20:33 GMT -5
Asante :[ Africans are coming over here not trying to link up with black people here, but to one up us. Y'all sound like Asians, and y'all really don't know the perils of doing that to us. My point went right over your head. You Africans with your silly attitudes are the sleeper cells that Tariq Nasheed mentioned. Listen to poor African girl who was adopted by white people. This is all the information needed explaining why so many African immigrants who come over here are so detached from African Americans. ] That is not really true, yes first generation immigrants can be clannish, but rarely goes beyond that,they generally fused into the greater AA population,maybe your town's social life is different, but in my town cohabitation and mingling is the norm, this include Island Hispanics, { Mexicans,Guatemalans,Peruvians } maybe a different story,depending on where you live. From an economic and social view point Hispanics do not rock with black people. That is not "black paranoia", but common knowledge. The notion of black and brown pride is "beautiful" but it's not reality! Some black people are native with regards to the illogical contempt to non Africans have towards us.
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Post by anansi on Dec 17, 2018 3:31:55 GMT -5
Asante said:{ From an economic and social view point Hispanics do not rock with black people. That is not "black paranoia", but common knowledge. The notion of black and brown pride is "beautiful" but it's not reality! Some black people are native with regards to the illogical contempt to non Africans have towards us.}
But paranoia is exactly what it sounds like, pls review what some of what you wrote in this thread.
Africans don't like us because...
Immigrant Caribbean Blacks don't like us because...
An entire language group consisting of many widely different cultures from widely different geographical back ground don't like us because..
You said they don't rock with us?? not true , in my experience, as they tend to live in the same apartment complex or neighborhood, linkup at the same hangouts and form marriage unions with each other's families,keeping in mind these are Afro- descendant ppl who practice many forms of African derived culture, again it may very well depend on your neck of the wood, I've never Been to Louisville , so the social dynamic maybe be different, but it's not at all one and the same.
And let's take it back to the beginning of the thread, the roots of hiphop is formed from many strands of the Afro-descedant communities, many of the early contributors are sons of Caribbean folks, the break dance craze came outta da Bronx among the sons of Island Hispanics and Brazilians,the graphic arts came from our multi ethnic Afro-descedant communities the Djs are the descendants of Jamaican toasters the rythem and innovation along with production came from old line AAs , this is what I witness growing up in realtime NYC.
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Post by anansi on Dec 17, 2018 5:36:25 GMT -5
Lemme add this, get your passport and travel outside the United States, you will quickly noticed that the most fawned upon Black group in the world are AAs, even in nations that are openly hostile towards Black ppl, ironically AAs were about the only Black group to be made honorary "Whites" in apartheid South Africa, yes they largely rejected the status..ain't gonna play Suncity.
In Africa or the Caribbean both Anglo and Latin speaking, AAs are welcomed as long lost family,the only other group who is a very very distant second, would be Jamaicans, I should include the Isles of the Pacific with much of the same love ,but my point tho, the world in no way hates AAs as a group , are in most cases the most favored.. Get your passport and travel Africurious is right in this.
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To move away from "me" to be with people like who? 
. Gtfo Rafiki!