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Post by anansi on Jul 27, 2010 4:40:14 GMT -5
NOVOZAVIDOVO, Russia – People in this Russian town used to stare at Jean Gregoire Sagbo because they had never seen a black man. Now they say they see in him something equally rare — an honest politician. Sagbo last month became the first black to be elected to office in Russia. In a country where racism is entrenched and often violent, Sagbo's election as one of Novozavidovo's 10 municipal councilors is a milestone. But among the town's 10,000 people, the 48-year-old from the West African country of Benin is viewed simply a Russian who cares about his hometown. He promises to revive the impoverished, garbage-strewn town where he has lived for 21 years and raised a family. His plans include reducing rampant drug addiction, cleaning up a polluted lake and delivering heating to homes. "Novozavidovo is dying," Sagbo said in an interview in the ramshackle municipal building. "This is my home, my town. We can't live like this." "His skin is black but he is Russian inside," said Vyacheslav Arakelov, the mayor. "The way he cares about this place, only a Russian can care." Sagbo isn't the first black in Russian politics. Another West African, Joaquin Crima of Guinea-Bissau, ran for head of a southern Russian district a year ago but was heavily defeated. Crima was dubbed by the media "Russia's Obama." Now they've shifted the title to Sagbo, much to his annoyance. "My name is not Obama. It's sensationalism," he said. "He is black and I am black, but it's a totally different situation." Inspired by communist ideology, Sagbo came to Soviet Russia in 1982 to study economics in Moscow. There he met his wife, a Novozavidovo native. He moved to the town about 100 kilometers (65 miles) north of Moscow in 1989 to be close to his in-laws. Today he is a father of two, and negotiates real estate sales for a Moscow conglomerate. His council job is unpaid. Sagbo says neither he nor his wife wanted him to get into politics, viewing it as a dirty, dangerous business, but the town council and residents persuaded him to run for office. They already knew him as a man of strong civic impulse. He had cleaned the entrance to his apartment building, planted flowers and spent his own money on street improvements. Ten years ago he organized volunteers and started what became an annual day of collecting garbage. He said he feels no racism in the town. "I am one of them. I am home here," Sagbo said. He felt that during his first year in the town, when his 4-year-old son Maxim came home in tears, saying a teenage boy spat at him. Sagbo ran outside in a rage, demanding that the spitter explain himself. Women sitting nearby also berated the teenager. Then the whole street joined in. Russia's black population hasn't been officially counted but some studies estimate about 40,000 "Afro-Russians." Many are attracted by universities that are less costly than in the West. Scores of them suffer racially motivated attacks every year — 49 in Moscow alone in 2009, according to the Moscow Protestant Chaplaincy Task Force on Racial Violence and Harassment, an advocacy group. After the Soviet Union collapsed, Novozavidovo's industries were rapidly privatized, leaving it in financial ruin. High unemployment, corruption, alcoholism and pollution blight what was once an idyllic town, just a short distance from the Zavidovo National Park, where Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Dmitry Medvedev take nature retreats. Denis Voronin, a 33-year-old engineer in Novozavidovo, said Sagbo was the town's first politician to get elected fairly, without resorting to buying votes "Previous politicians were all criminals," he said. A former administration head — the equivalent of mayor in rural Russia — was shot to death by unknown assailants two years ago. The post is now held by Arakelov, a veteran of the Soviet war in Afghanistan who says he also wants to clean up corruption. He says money used to constantly disappear from the town budget and is being investigated by tax police. Residents say they pay providers for heat and hot water, but because of ineffective monitoring by the municipality they don't get much of either. The toilet in the municipal building is a room with a hole in the floor. As a councilor, Sagbo has already scored some successes. He mobilized residents to collect money and turn dilapidated lots between buildings into colorful playgrounds with new swings and painted fences. As he strolled around his neighborhood everyone greeted him and he responded in his fluent, French-African-accented Russian. Boys waved to Sagbo, who had promised them a soccer field. Sitting in the newly painted playground with her son, Irina Danilenko said it was the only improvement she has seen in the five years she has lived here. "We don't care about his race," said Danilenko, 31. "We consider him one of us. To be honest I didn't think he had a chance in hell!!..but there you go good on him I hope he does well.
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Post by gigantic on Aug 2, 2010 9:59:40 GMT -5
I did not think he would win. WOW! I have mixed feelings on this. Unlike the US, Russia is an homogeneous culture and Russians are very xenophobic, so it is hard for me to comprehend why an African Negro, with no cultural or historical ties to Russia, would want to get involved in Russian politics and history, let alone live there.
On the other hand, Russia can contribute immensely to the uncivilize world. I feel that the advance states should have an open door policy to the uncivilize world, to receive the best minds they have to offer and educate them.
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Post by anansi on Aug 2, 2010 10:19:52 GMT -5
I did not think he would win. WOW! I have mixed feelings on this. Unlike the US, Russia is an homogeneous culture and Russians are very xenophobic, so it is hard for me to comprehend why an African Negro, with no cultural or historical ties to Russia, would want to get involved in Russian politics and history. On the other hand, Russia can contribute immensely to the uncivilize world. I feel that the advance states should have an open door policy to the uncivilize world, to receive the best minds they have to offer and educate them. Uncivilized is a loaded term, if you are talking about technological advances under the USSR in comparison to some of their client states well?? that can be argued, but the Russians and people of the area have been absorbing Africans since ancient times one only has to look at the Pushkin family. egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bag&action=display&thread=342See thread ^ dealing with subject of Africans in Russia or the general area in ancient times . According to the article he got involved because the town pushed him forward plus he is settled and build roots in the community..in other words he is well respected.
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Post by gigantic on Aug 2, 2010 11:05:12 GMT -5
Russians and people of the area have been absorbing Africans since ancient times one only has to look at the Pushkin family. Utter nonsense. Hosting a few African Negroes does not mean absorbing a population. There are no significant African Negro communities in Russia. I would imagine that he is well respected, otherwise he would not have been elected. My concern is with Blacks who choose to migrate to Russia. I can understand why people would emigrate to the US. America is a cosmopolitan. But this is not the case with Russia. They are extremely xenophobic and ethnocentric. It baffles my mind as to why a Black man would want to make Russia his home. I mean there is seriously NO HISTORICAL TIES to Africa.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 2, 2010 12:13:30 GMT -5
Russians and people of the area have been absorbing Africans since ancient times one only has to look at the Pushkin family. Utter nonsense. Hosting a few African Negroes does not mean absorbing a population. There are no significant African Negro communities in Russia. I would imagine that he is well respected, otherwise he would not have been elected. My concern is with Blacks who choose to migrate to Russia. I can understand why people would emigrate to the US. America is a cosmopolitan. But this is not the case with Russia. They are extremely xenophobic and ethnocentric. It baffles my mind as to why a Black man would want to make Russia his home. I mean there is seriously NO HISTORICAL TIES to Africa. Uncivilized? Negro?...... Okay, whatever...... As to your main question, why would a black man choose to move to Russia. Well, if you read the article again, you will see that he moved there at a time when he had a strong Marxist ideology when Russia was still the Soviet Union. There were a lot of people around the world, (Egyptians and other Africans, Asians, Latin Americas) who were attracted to living there because of the Marxist propaganda. What they found when they got there was a different story. I know from first hand sources that the Soviets who went to Egypt for various engeneering projects and advisory positions would refere to the natives as "chorna chopia", back asses. So yes, you are right, they can be very racist and xenophobic, but then again, the same can be said for the USA. My family camer here in 1950. At a time when Afro descent people were segragated, and being lynched in carnival atmospheres. Why in the world would any person of color choose to come here when it was not uncommon for them to be murdered and discriminated against. Italians, Jews, Irish, Japanese, MEXICANS, all these people faced blatant discrimination and out right rejection. "Go back where you came from" etc. Why would they want to come here when Americans in the thousands were blatantly telling them, we don't like you, we don't want you here, GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM? Hell, we hate Mexicans so much we're building a damn wall to kep them out and our media is full of anti Mexican propaganda, yet come they did and do, in the tens of thousands despite it didn't they. So why would you be surprised that an African would be any different than anybody else? Further reading explains that he MARRIED a Russian woman and raised A FAMILY, (read between the lines, these are the clues sparky ). Furthermore, he moved to his town to be closer to his inlaws. SOOO, it would seem that while many foreigners in Russia face rejection, he found a niche. He obviously has a good relationship with his wife's family, he is a part of the family. He has also been embraced and accepted by the extended community. All these are reasons to stay. If immigrants from all over the world were willing to give up everything they owned to move to the USA, when the citizens were waiting for them at the docks will signs telling them to get back on the boat, why is it so surprising that an African would want to live in a country and community where he has been embraced and accepted? And for the record, Anansi IS right. There have been Africans who migrated to Russia for one reason or another for hundreds of years, if not more. Were there large scale migrations? No, but the people who did go there, such as Pushkins grand father, and Robert hustenov, (I just butchered his name, great great grand mother. Was there a "connection" with Africa? No. But exactly what kind of "connection" did the USA have with Russia, Poland, Italy, India, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Turkey, Greece.... Well I think you get the point.....
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Post by gigantic on Aug 2, 2010 13:29:15 GMT -5
^The US today is a far cry from the US of yesterday. Today's Russia is EXTREMELY ethnocentric, xenophobic and racist. You will hardly find a mosaic of cultures in that country. Are you aware that Russia has the largest Neo-Nazi-Nationalist movement in Europe? She is no place for an African, but more specifically, a subsaharaner. Perhaps I should post up a video on Russian treatment of foreigner.
There is no NAACP to take up the cause of the Negro over there. And frankly, there should not be. Blacks are not forced to live there. They do so of their own choosing, so prepare to pay the price.
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Post by anansi on Aug 2, 2010 18:52:52 GMT -5
^The US today is a far cry from the US of yesterday. Today's Russia is EXTREMELY ethnocentric, xenophobic and racist. You will hardly find a mosaic of cultures in that country. Are you aware that Russia has the largest Neo-Nazi-Nationalist movement in Europe? She is no place for an African, but more specifically, a subsaharaner. Perhaps I should post up a video on Russian treatment of foreigner. There is no NAACP to take up the cause of the Negro over there. And frankly, there should not be. Blacks are not forced to live there. They do so of their own choosing, so prepare to pay the price. So Russians who make a living in say Hokkaido and settled there deserves discrimination because the Russian Duma is not present in Japan? Also click the link under the black Cossack in some cases it was much more than a few.
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Post by gigantic on Aug 2, 2010 21:57:32 GMT -5
^Japan is embracing multi-culturalism; she is following the steps of the west. Anyhow, we're talking about Russia, not Japan.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 2, 2010 23:31:42 GMT -5
^The US today is a far cry from the US of yesterday. Today's Russia is EXTREMELY ethnocentric, xenophobic and racist. You will hardly find a mosaic of cultures in that country. Are you aware that Russia has the largest Neo-Nazi-Nationalist movement in Europe? She is no place for an African, but more specifically, a subsaharaner. Perhaps I should post up a video on Russian treatment of foreigner. There is no NAACP to take up the cause of the Negro over there. And frankly, there should not be. Blacks are not forced to live there. They do so of their own choosing, so prepare to pay the price. You've missed the point. 100 years ago, this country was EXTREEEEMLY xenophobic, racist and violent towards non White Protestant Christians, and yet that did not stop people from coming here did it? So why would you be surprised that despite how racist SOME Russians are, some people would still choose to go there? No one is arguing that there is not racism in Russia. I could have told you that 25 years ago. The point is that people everywhere, will choose to migrate to places if they feel the pros out weigh the cons.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Aug 2, 2010 23:44:29 GMT -5
^The US today is a far cry from the US of yesterday. Today's Russia is EXTREMELY ethnocentric, xenophobic and racist. You will hardly find a mosaic of cultures in that country. Are you aware that Russia has the largest Neo-Nazi-Nationalist movement in Europe? She is no place for an African, but more specifically, a subsaharaner. Perhaps I should post up a video on Russian treatment of foreigner. Okay so I watched the clip and its obvious that you just keep missing the point. By the way, did you notice that none of the people being attacked were African? An yet you insisit on singeling out Africans. I find you train of thought very disturbing. So by your logic, the Nazis had a right to do what they did to Jews and Gypsies during WW2? After all, who asked them to Germany in the first place. And you also hink that people do not have a right to demand fair treatment and justice? You act as if this country doesn't have neo nazis and skin heads of all types and that there aren't racially motivated crimes right here. I've lost count of how many innocent civilians have been cold blodedly murdered by the police in just the past 15 years and never once has any of them ever been convicted and sentenced for it, they always get off scot free. I find your tone very disturbing indeed. Perhaps someone should make a video clip about racist members on the Egypt reloaded forum? Not mentioning any names.......... There is no NAACP to take up the cause of the Negro over there. And frankly, there should not be. Blacks are not forced to live there. They do so of their own choosing, so prepare to pay the price.
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Post by anansi on Aug 3, 2010 0:44:02 GMT -5
^Japan is embracing multi-culturalism; she is following the steps of the west. Anyhow, we're talking about Russia, not Japan. Yeah but that doesn't mean that there aren't far- rightist people here with anti foreigner sentiments!! And how do you know that some Russians do not embrace multiculturalism? perhaps enough to elect an African to represent them.
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Post by gigantic on Aug 3, 2010 7:04:05 GMT -5
Japan is not as bad as Russia and I am sure you know this already. Japan is following the west' lead to an open society. You will find some Russians that embrace multiculturalism, but by and large, Russians are very ethnocentric. Yeah but that doesn't mean that there aren't far- rightist people here with anti foreigner sentiments!! And how do you know that some Russians do not embrace multiculturalism? perhaps enough to elect an African to represent them.
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Post by gigantic on Aug 3, 2010 7:05:55 GMT -5
How in the world are you comparing Jews in Germany to African Negroes migrating to Russia? Jews have a HISTORY in Germany (and Europe). Africans do not have a history in Russia. There is no comparison, sir. ^The US today is a far cry from the US of yesterday. Today's Russia is EXTREMELY ethnocentric, xenophobic and racist. You will hardly find a mosaic of cultures in that country. Are you aware that Russia has the largest Neo-Nazi-Nationalist movement in Europe? She is no place for an African, but more specifically, a subsaharaner. Perhaps I should post up a video on Russian treatment of foreigner. Okay so I watched the clip and its obvious that you just keep missing the point. By the way, did you notice that none of the people being attacked were African? An yet you insisit on singeling out Africans. I find you train of thought very disturbing. So by your logic, the Nazis had a right to do what they did to Jews and Gypsies during WW2? After all, who asked them to Germany in the first place. And you also hink that people do not have a right to demand fair treatment and justice? You act as if this country doesn't have neo nazis and skin heads of all types and that there aren't racially motivated crimes right here. I've lost count of how many innocent civilians have been cold blodedly murdered by the police in just the past 15 years and never once has any of them ever been convicted and sentenced for it, they always get off scot free. I find your tone very disturbing indeed. Perhaps someone should make a video clip about racist members on the Egypt reloaded forum? Not mentioning any names.......... There is no NAACP to take up the cause of the Negro over there. And frankly, there should not be. Blacks are not forced to live there. They do so of their own choosing, so prepare to pay the price.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Aug 3, 2010 14:52:46 GMT -5
Why do you insist on using the word negro. By using negro you mean inferior.
The subject header uses black. The man in question is an African. The reference article nowhere uses the disgusting term negro.
Negro is not a word anymore used in polite company. You are only using it to be purposefully insulting. Why don't you stop it, advance to the 21st century and use black.
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Post by gigantic on Aug 3, 2010 15:09:40 GMT -5
Why do you insist on using the word negro. because that is how subsaharaners are referred to in my native tongue (french); Nègre. Since when did Negro mean inferior? You do realize that that is the word used in Spanish to identify a person like you and me, right? You do realize in french and spanish speaking countries, the word is still in use. Perhaps you are confusing negro for "nig*er." I suspect that is the case. So explain to me "Negroid?" You got some serious personal issues w/me. You need to just chill out, sir. How have I used it in an insulting way? I thought it was African American? You got a personal issue w/me, so why don't you just come out w/it? What is your beef?
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