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Post by anansi on Dec 27, 2014 3:35:39 GMT -5
Yiieeks I hate the film so why am I not exactly jumping with glee?? censorship especially by government is never a good thing. Nesben I think the Brits are more likely to make a quality film on this than the U.S although I suspect it would or could be a miniseries. they are not above from casting Blacks in the Authorian era. |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Dec 27, 2014 10:03:09 GMT -5
Yiieeks I hate the film so why am I not exactly jumping with glee?? censorship especially by government is never a good thing. Nesben I think the Brits are more likely to make a quality film on this than the U.S although I suspect it would or could be a miniseries. they are not above from casting Blacks in the Authorian era. Egypt has always been a police state. They censor everything that's broadcast in the mediia from movies to television to radio. Satalite was a revolution because it flew over their heads. Even belly dancers have to be licensed and if the "arts" department disproves of your act you can be arrested and fined. It's always been that way. Anyway, I still think they should use some Egyptian actors if they ever do so. I like this guy Mohamed Ramadan. He's broken Egypt's color bar for leading male roles. He's from Southern Egypt. The last dark skinned actor to do this was Ahmed Zaki who died a few years ago. Egypt is notorious for having actors who are as Europ looking as possible. |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Dec 27, 2014 10:08:14 GMT -5
Just saw this on BBC World News. It seems this picture is pissing off a number of folks; for the government of Egypt, they site inaccuracies, one being that the Jews( Hebrews) did not build the pyramids of ancient Egypt. So why now ? Their have been other films such as " The Ten Commandments" in 1956 with such inaccuracies, did they ban this film & others ?. So this make me wonder, if a film about ancient Egypt in the future was made with a cast mostly of persons of African descent in leading roles, would they ban such a film, because of so called historical inaccuracies ? ? Because The 10 Commandments didn't show them building the Pyramids, that was another movies, can't remember the name but I think it might have been made before Egyptian independence in 1954. |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Dec 27, 2014 10:10:23 GMT -5
Late braking news Morocco just banned it too. I think one of the reasons is because they show the Almighty being depicted as a child.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 27, 2014 18:50:24 GMT -5
Yiieeks I hate the film so why am I not exactly jumping with glee?? censorship especially by government is never a good thing. Nesben I think the Brits are more likely to make a quality film on this than the U.S although I suspect it would or could be a miniseries. they are not above from casting Blacks in the Authorian era. An historic anecdote about ethics and morality when the stakes are about control over things. The Ashanti were defending against the British. The British were losing. A call was made for a sit-down. Ashanti officials, unarmed and state robed, strode to engage their enemy in peace talks. The British meanwhile positioned their heavy artillery all around the meeting compound. Before the talks began the war was won by the British who simply told the delegation surrender or be blown away. Today western media and coca-colonization are the choice weapons of conquest & control So here's to the nations with enough sense to ban any and everything not in their best national interest. When it's your life you're fighting for be ever ready to defend or shape your mind to die |
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Post by nebsen on Dec 27, 2014 19:59:06 GMT -5
Just saw this on BBC World News. It seems this picture is pissing off a number of folks; for the government of Egypt, they site inaccuracies, one being that the Jews( Hebrews) did not build the pyramids of ancient Egypt. So why now ? Their have been other films such as " The Ten Commandments" in 1956 with such inaccuracies, did they ban this film & others ?. So this make me wonder, if a film about ancient Egypt in the future was made with a cast mostly of persons of African descent in leading roles, would they ban such a film, because of so called historical inaccuracies ? ? Because The 10 Commandments didn't show them building the Pyramids, that was another movies, can't remember the name but I think it might have been made before Egyptian independence in 1954. The name of the film was" Land Of The Pharaohs " 1954 which was shot in Egypt at the time ; which I saw as a kid than, & have on DVD now. They actually showed the native Egyptians working on the Great Pyramid, both tan skinned to Black skinned Egyptians ( Nubains) . Which was to indicate that they used Egyptian labor & not( Jews) Hebrews. The architect of the Great pyramid was non Egyptian in the plot, & his people were being held captive by the Pharaoh ( Khufu) until the pyramid was completed, which took 20 years. They never indicated in the film that they who were being held captive by the Pharaoh( Khufu) were Jews directly , only that they were from a different land & faith. As far as the film" The Ten Commandments" they inferred that the( Jews) Hebrews did all the labor, & were held captive for 400 years in ancient Egypt, thus being there to build the pyramids, in the minds of many in the audience. |
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Post by kaskata on Dec 27, 2014 20:53:05 GMT -5
nebsenTime frame wise, I would say 15 to 20 years. In this day and edge the eurocentric view of ancient Egypt is fading fast and so is the near East approach. Evidence of this is the new argument that A.E were mixed (true depending on what period one is talking about). The masses I am referring to are the Europeans, both the Americans and the Arab world. As far as country, I would guess it would be Britain before the USA. My hope is one day an African Country is going to produce such a movie,
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Dec 28, 2014 1:49:24 GMT -5
Because The 10 Commandments didn't show them building the Pyramids, that was another movies, can't remember the name but I think it might have been made before Egyptian independence in 1954. The name of the film was" Land Of The Pharaohs " 1954 which was shot in Egypt at the time ; which I saw as a kid than, & have on DVD now. They actually showed the native Egyptians working on the Great Pyramid, both tan skinned to Black skinned Egyptians ( Nubains) . Which was to indicate that they used Egyptian labor & not( Jews) Hebrews. The architect of the Great pyramid was non Egyptian in the plot, & his people were being held captive by the Pharaoh ( Khufu) until the pyramid was completed, which took 20 years. They never indicated in the film that they who were being held captive by the Pharaoh( Khufu) were Jews directly , only that they were from a different land & faith. As far as the film" The Ten Commandments" they inferred that the( Jews) Hebrews did all the labor, & were held captive for 400 years in ancient Egypt, thus being there to build the pyramids, in the minds of many in the audience. Yes you're right. That was the name of it with .... god what's her name? She was the bitch on Dynasty back in the 80's... Joan Collins? Totally historically inaccurate, but while they may not have showed Jews building it, it was still implied as was the notion that Egypt's greatest achievements was down to a non African, still very much in the colonialistic mind set. Those people couldn't possibly have done it themselves. They needed a desert nomad to show them how to do it, ahhh yeahhh... rigghhtt! You're also right about the 10 Commandments. You have no idea how many arguments I've had with Jews that, no, they weren't built with slave labor as Egypt already had a sufficient labor force and they were built waaaayyy before there was any such thing as a Hebrew. most people are historically ignorant, so they are impressionable. |
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Post by nebsen on Dec 28, 2014 2:46:46 GMT -5
The name of the film was" Land Of The Pharaohs " 1954 which was shot in Egypt at the time ; which I saw as a kid than, & have on DVD now. They actually showed the native Egyptians working on the Great Pyramid, both tan skinned to Black skinned Egyptians ( Nubains) . Which was to indicate that they used Egyptian labor & not( Jews) Hebrews. The architect of the Great pyramid was non Egyptian in the plot, & his people were being held captive by the Pharaoh ( Khufu) until the pyramid was completed, which took 20 years. They never indicated in the film that they who were being held captive by the Pharaoh( Khufu) were Jews directly , only that they were from a different land & faith. As far as the film" The Ten Commandments" they inferred that the( Jews) Hebrews did all the labor, & were held captive for 400 years in ancient Egypt, thus being there to build the pyramids, in the minds of many in the audience. Yes you're right. That was the name of it with .... god what's her name? She was the on Dynasty back in the 80's... Joan Collins? Totally historically inaccurate, but while they may not have showed Jews building it, it was still implied as was the notion that Egypt's greatest achievements was down to a non African, still very much in the colonialistic mind set. Those people couldn't possibly have done it themselves. They needed a desert nomad to show them how to do it, ahhh yeahhh... rigghhtt! You're also right about the 10 Commandments. You have no idea how many arguments I've had with Jews that, no, they weren't built with slave labor as Egypt already had a sufficient labor force and they were built waaaayyy before there was any such thing as a Hebrew. most people are historically ignorant, so they are impressionable. Yes, it was Joan Collins I believe this was her first American film she was 18 or 19. The Pharaoh Khufu was played by some British guy Jack Hawkens ? & it was 55 not 54" that this film came out by Howard Hawks. Land Of The Pharaohs actually had some pretty good elements that I have not seen in otherfilms about ancient Egypt. But otherwise the same old, same old, Whites, dressing up like ancient Egyptians; in this film they wore a form of Black face Dark tan, that was kind of strange & funny ! |
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Post by anansi on Dec 29, 2014 0:38:11 GMT -5
Al-Takruri
But those same censoring tools are often turned against the very people the gov sayz it's trying to protect meaning protecting them out of their rights,at-least let polite society have it's say on the matter barring impending doom or disaster that's the whole purpose having them around.
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Post by Tukuler al~Takruri on Dec 29, 2014 10:32:03 GMT -5
Al-Takruri But those same censoring tools are often turned against the very people the gov sayz it's trying to protect meaning protecting them out of their rights,at-least let polite society have it's say on the matter barring impending doom or disaster that's the whole purpose having them around. Were the playing field level I'd agree. There's a reason why countries are ranked. Bottom of the barrel countries allow everything from the W Euro world and are not respected. Their leaders are bought and sold and subservient to foreign interest at the expense of their people who watch W Euro world TV and movies in their squalor. This is a political science tactic we know as national underdevelopment. I heartily commend Egypt and Maroc in their decision to not screen what they deem non-beneficial to their populace and concept of self. You are free to hold your opinion as I am free to express mine own (I hope). We don't need to agree. |
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Post by nebsen on Feb 2, 2015 17:11:18 GMT -5
David Oyelowo talks about his Oscar snub for" Selma", & speaks some "truth to power". I felt this clip would fit well with the topic that was on many of our minds about the film Exodus: Gods & Kings.
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Feb 3, 2015 10:33:13 GMT -5
David Oyelowo talks about his Oscar snub for" Selma", & speaks some "truth to power". I felt this clip would fit well with the topic that was on many of our minds about the film Exodus: Gods & Kings. It's not the awards that matter, but the impact and memory of them. We must not look to them for validation because we won't get it. We must cultivate that within the core of ourselves. Look at what they gave the award to Haili Berry for.... Monsters Ball... No a single award for the Color Purple, but it is a classic. Who remembers the picture that took the award that year? *********************, (sound of crickets). Yet Whoopie went on to become a sensation and Oprah a world recognized institution, so who cares about their awards. What we have and who we are far outshines such triviality! Their insecurities cannot hold us down if we do not allow ourselves to be held down. |
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Post by nebsen on Feb 3, 2015 17:36:46 GMT -5
David Oyelowo talks about his Oscar snub for" Selma", & speaks some "truth to power". I felt this clip would fit well with the topic that was on many of our minds about the film Exodus: Gods & Kings. It's not the awards that matter, but the impact and memory of them. We must not look to them for validation because we won't get it. We must cultivate that within the core of ourselves. Look at what they gave the award to Haili Berry for.... Monsters Ball... No a single award for the Color Purple, but it is a classic. Who remembers the picture that took the award that year? *********************, (sound of crickets). Yet Whoopie went on to become a sensation and Oprah a world recognized institution, so who cares about their awards. What we have and who we are far outshines such triviality! Their insecurities cannot hold us down if we do not allow ourselves to be held down. Truthteacher2007, I have heard this same sentiment over, & over, again on different blogs concerning the " stiff upper lip "approach to not getting recognized by ones peers. But human nature being what it is, folks like to be recognized for their work & efforts. The film director of Selma the most gifted & talented Ava Duvernay I heard say last week talking about Selma that she felt that she would not be nominated & she was O.K with that, but felt David Oyelowo should have gotten at least a nod from the " Academy" . I think what he is saying is that over the many, many ,years of people of African decent not being recognized, or acknowledged, & when they were, it is playing subservient roles( The Help) or for less than admirable people " Training Day" or" King Of Scotland ". This is now the 21 Century & I felt he was saying that they are not going" quietly into the night". This is the whitest Academy Awards, since the late 90's. The bottom line is, that their is a lack of diversity in the Academy, both in terms of race, & gender,( Academy white male, average age 60) & this generation of actors of color & others in the film industry are pointing this out. Times are ah changing, & I'm glad to see a Black man such as David Oyelowo saying enough is enough ! |
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Post by truthteacher2007 on Feb 4, 2015 0:33:35 GMT -5
It's not the awards that matter, but the impact and memory of them. We must not look to them for validation because we won't get it. We must cultivate that within the core of ourselves. Look at what they gave the award to Haili Berry for.... Monsters Ball... No a single award for the Color Purple, but it is a classic. Who remembers the picture that took the award that year? *********************, (sound of crickets). Yet Whoopie went on to become a sensation and Oprah a world recognized institution, so who cares about their awards. What we have and who we are far outshines such triviality! Their insecurities cannot hold us down if we do not allow ourselves to be held down. Truthteacher2007, I have heard this same sentiment over, & over, again on different blogs concerning the " stiff upper lip "approach to not getting recognized by ones peers. But human nature being what it is, folks like to be recognized for their work & efforts. The film director of Selma the most gifted & talented Ava Duvernay I heard say last week talking about Selma that she felt that she would not be nominated & she was O.K with that, but felt David Oyelowo should have gotten at least a nod from the " Academy" . I think what he is saying is that over the many, many ,years of people of African decent not being recognized, or acknowledged, & when they were, it is playing subservient roles( The Help) or for less than admirable people " Training Day" or" King Of Scotland ". This is now the 21 Century & I felt he was saying that they are not going" quietly into the night". This is the whitest Academy Awards, since the late 90's. The bottom line is, that their is a lack of diversity in the Academy, both in terms of race, & gender,( Academy white male, average age 60) & this generation of actors of color & others in the film industry are pointing this out. Times are ah changing, & I'm glad to see a Black man such as David Oyelowo saying enough is enough ! Here's an idea. How about we recognize ourselves. Make our own awards for excellence ceremony, one of the categories being film, air it on OWN and there by send the message to kiss our asses. Yes times are changing, but lets not wait for all the A holes to die off so we can have our time. Lets make our time now. Lets face it, everything we have we got because we took the initiative to create it or get it. Not because someone woke up one day feeling generous. |
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